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you know, can t they go on and pass some kind of a bill that keeps the government open? i think eventually that s what s going to happen. there s no way the president is going to sign a bill that defunds obamacare. i think that the president might have to give them something so that republican leaders can save faith. remember, republicans in the house, they had a different strategy. they were trying to move a different bill. the conservatives in the house said no way. democrats are not going to help republicans in the house so speaker boehner had to shift and adopt the ted kruse strategy. now republican leaders are saying, okay. you ve got to do what you can do in the senate but as you know, republicans don t have the votes in the senate. it s controlled by harry reid and the democrats. jon: some are saying we re only going to hurt ourselves if we shut down the government because people are going to blame republicans for it. you know, why not go ahead and let obamacare through and de