involving puppies, amish dog breeders and $15,000 worth of bad checks. and what liberals can learn from ron desantis. there s a piece in the new york time that warns liberals not to underestimate desantis. he may resemble trump but not in his intellect or resolve. right to the news. with me in studio, we have natasha, former assistant special watergate prosecutor nick ackerman and john berman. seamless, people. seamless. you walked all the way over here. across a bridge, everyone. great to have you all. obviously, they want the talk to vice president pence. he was key in all of this. specifically, what information can he provide that no one else can? well, he had direct one-on-one conversations with donald trump. there is absolutely no way the special counsel can decide whether to indict or not to
puppies. here with me in the studio, the republican strategist, also back with us, natasha, and john berman. in 2017, george santos was charged with theft by deception after these bad checks, and i think we can put them up on the screen. six of them for $2,000 plus, were made out to, not all of them but that was the high, made out to dog breeders. in the memo in each one it says puppies. obviously this isn t the first time. he s also wanted for forging checks in brazil. he s being investigated for a ponzi scheme. and as you know, he also is being investigated for ripping off a disabled vet who had a dying dog. and now these checks total $15,000 for puppies. i mean, at what point, what is the breaking point for
things to themselves. madonna was doing what she wanted to do which i think she has for a long time. it we do terrible things to women, forcing them to effectively feel as if they have to perform for other people at all times. and i think to natasha s point, we should be asking the question that so many people feel they have to be somebody other than who they are. it s her choice. she s madonna, an icon. true point. monica, thank you for being here. thank you for all that. there is another mystery at the zoo. this time a gibbon in japan got pregnant except that she lives alone with no male visitors. what happened? i know what happened. do you? a mystery visit.
we re back with my guests. natasha, basically what pamela paul is saying is that desantis is not trump. people who think he s the new tangled trump, he s not trump. he s stolen a page from trump. but her argument is we shouldn t write him off. compare their respective back ground think. trump s acceptance into the university of pennsylvania after an academic known only for mediocrity. desantis, the son of a tv ratings box installer and a nurse earned his way into the i vy league. he worked his way through yale while playing baseball and graduated magnum cum laudee. it sounds like she s really impressed by his resume. i think that was a lesson learned with donald trump. i think when donald trump ran, it changed our standard for everything. and i think that ron desantis
time considering that donald trump was more than willing to throw him under the bus? the memoir that he put out, the fact that he was willing to talk about those interactions only day. if you re willing to put that in the memoir, then you have to be willing to speak when the time comes. john? mike pence knows exactly what donald trump will him to do or didn t tell him to do. he knows whether donald trump, the president of the united states, told him, mike pence, to use a power he did not have to overturn the election. his testimony on that is key. but do you know who mike pence could have told about that conversation if it occurred until now? all of us. anyone. to natasha s point, if mike pence wanted this information out there in an easy way, he could have done it at any time. he s been playing a political game because he doesn t want to upset a potential republican political base that he may need if he run for president. here s what he said to cnn about why he wasn t going to t