that conversation doesn t necessarily translate into actual pay, and pay that reflects the kinds of challenges that teachers are experiencing and also the importance of teachers, particularly in low income, urban, and rural areas in supporting our children. and that actually is a bigger issue, right? that s where you start to see a civil rights issue because we know i just had a conversation about african-americans, for instance, not earning what the rest of the population earns but if you re starting with a substandard education or underfunded schools or teachers, we ve talked to so many teachers who have to spend $3,000 or $4,000 out of their own pockets because funding has been cut. you then push that problem and do not just teachers earning not enough money but people not getting a good education. right. and part of it is also that we see really high teacher turnover when you have salaries starting salaries to be as low as they have been, particularly in those undersuppor
people have been killed in two separate attacks in norway. police there say these two attacks are, in fact, linked. still a developing story. we ll have the very latest for you live in just a moment. we need to begin in washington, d.c. with that looming deadline on the nation s debt. you may have missed this last night but it was an extraordinary night in washington, d.c. the president and house speaker john boehner each holding news conferences, calling each other out for the break down in the debt ceiling talks. where are we right now? we talk about the debt ceiling needs to be raised but we actually hit the debt ceiling back in may. we hit the limit. the treasury secretary has been doing interesting math. his ability to move that money around runs out on august 2nd. what demonstrate want to do in order to get a deal on the debt ceiling they want to do away with some tax cuts and loopholes as larger control of this deficit. republicans say that s raising taxes. they say sp
ensuring we do some of the things that the secretary said. it s not just about the issue of looking at the snapshot of whether a teacher is bad or good. it s about developing teachers. it s about not spending the $7 billion we spend right now in teacher turnover. we have to do things that help kids every single day in classrooms, which means, investing in teachers like they do in the countries that outcast i want to bring up the colorado law about evaluation of teachers. and, really the crux of it is is it s a tough loss. you supported it. you don t represent a lot of teachers out there. so the political states are not frankly hold on, that s the reality. you represent a lot more teachers in other districts. we all know that. they had tougher evaluations and said up to two years, you uh could be removed. do you support that as a national model? we support if you help teachers be the best they can be, and evaluate them fairly, then if they have to be removed, they have to be r
ensuring we do some of the things that the secretary said. it s not just about the issue of looking at the snapshot of whether a teacher is bad or good. it s about developing teachers. it s about not spending the $7 billion we spend right now in teacher turnover. we have to do things that help kids every single day in classrooms, which means, investing in teachers like they do in the countries that outpace us. i want to bring up the colorado law about evaluation of teachers. and, really the crux of it is is it s a tough loss. you supported it. you don t represent a lot of teachers out there. so the political states are not frankly as high for you. hold on one second. that s the reality. you represent a lot more teachers in other districts. we all know that. what they did there is they had tougher evaluations and said up to two years, you could be removed. do you support that as a national model? we support if you help teachers be the best they can be, and evaluate them fairly, th