start to think about leaving the ship and disclosing more information. including the full content of that 30-minute phone call. there s one other point that has not been made enough. this isn t just about biden and ukraine. it s about doing putin s bidding, to weak en the ukrainin president enough that russia could get away with the invasion of crimea. this is a deeper, dark, horrible situation that trump has gotten us into. it s going to start to unravel even more rapidly now. gene, to that point, what was your reaction to the president s inability to answer the fundamental defense question for his side? well, there was kind of a deer in the headlights moment, wasn t there? yeah. when finally as jeff mason kept pressing the question, you know, he refused to say anything and just stared and said are you talking to me? are you talking to me? sort of, you know, taxi driver