grover more gift. grover grover norquist. one side is going to win because it s united, highly aggressive and reckless. they said they would reform entitlements later come on . martha: later? how many things have we said we are going to do later? it s so ridiculous it makes you want to jump over the fiscal cliff. in terms of raising the debt limit again. let me put this out there. the reason for that is they don t want to go through this exercise of talking about spending cuts. the other part of what i was going to say many democrats want to reform entitlements as long as it doesn t hurt beneficiaries. if you are going to talk to me about tax raising. we are talking about the bush
the obama campaign will argue, tom, they didn t feel that they had much choice. they had to engage early. they had to fire up their base. they have a couple of problems. their base isn t there like it was, particularly among young people. they re the ones that have dropped out of the labor force. it s just not going to be there so they re going negative. it s a long way from hope and change at this point. go ahead. i was just going to say seniors as well. i think seniors are an important target we should be focusing on. and there seems to be none of that. you re both known to be fairly centrist politicians. i think this perfectly sums up the politics of 2012. this is an ad running in texas against david dewhurst. the wall street journal says dewhurst supported an income tax for texas. moderate tax-raising david dewhurst, wrong for texas. wrote against dewhurst on may 29th. club for growth action is responsible for the content of
policy dilemma ahead of us. and republicans seem to be the ones who want to raise the taxes. they want to get rid of a tax cut. if i may, senator kyl, just to cut this short, are you saying no deal on extending the payroll tax cuts? the payroll tax holiday has not stimulated job creation. we don t think that is a good way to do it. that was senator jon kyl of arizona. the same jon kyl of the we didn t make a supercommittee deal because we wouldn t go along with the horrible democrats and their tax raising. only now he s saying this other tax, yeah, let s go ahead and raise that one. so what is different from this one tax compared to the other one jon kyl and his friends complained about in the op-ed? why are they willing to let this one tax go up but not capital gains, dividends, death tax, as well as marginal tax rates, all these other things they complained about? why don t republicans want to protect this other tax cut the way they want to protect those other tax cuts? what
and republicans seem to be the ones who want to raise the taxes. they want to get rid of a tax cut. if i may, senator kyl, just to cut this short, are you saying no deal on extending the payroll tax cuts? the payroll tax holiday has not stimulated job creation. we don t think that is a good way to do it. that was senator jon kyl of arizona. the same jon kyl of the we didn t make a supercommittee deal because we wouldn t go along with the horrible democrats and their tax raising. myse he s saying, the other tax, let s raise that one. what s difference from this tax that jon kyl complained about in the op-ped, why are they willing to lot this one tax go up but not capital gains, dividends, death tax, as well as marginal tax rates, all these other things they complained about? why don t republicans want to protect this other tax cut the way they want to protect those other tax cuts? what makes this one tax so
if china slows down and china may very well slow down, we have a lot of time bombs ticking out there. and some of it america can t control, but some of it can control. and the politicians aren t doing anything. you have this group coming to congress who also aren t willing to compromise. there s going to have to be tax raising as part of this deal, it s going to have to happen. why not do what needs to be done? you almost wonder what i love about this country is there is a sense of optimism that things are possible. do you still sense that? because i ve always heard that from people coming here from europe saying you americans are so optimistic. do you still sense that? are we losing some of that? i almost think the optimism is shifting into a sense of denial. that i look at the political leadership in this country and you almost wonder whether they are in denial about what is happening around the world and