Glimpse into the defenses lawyers will make on the stand. Here is jonna lauro on meet the press. The defense is quite simple. Donald trump, president trump, believed in his heart of hearts that he had won that election. And as any american citizen, he had a right to speak out under the First Amendment. He had a right to petition governments around the country, state governments. Based on his grievances that Election Irregularities had occurred. He had every right to speak about the important issues that were taking place after the election. A technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law. That is just plain wrong. Except a technical violation of the constitution by definition is still a violation of the constitution. The constitution, in six different places, opposes insurrection and our constitution is designed to stop people from trying to overthrow elections, and trying to overthrow the government. Moments later, democratic congressman jamie raskin respo
Lawyers will make on the stand. Here is jonna lauro on meet the press. The defense is quite simple. Donald trump, president trump, believed in his heart of hearts that he had won that election. And as any american citizen, he had a right to speak out under the First Amendment. He had a right to petition governments around the country, state governments. Based on his grievances that Election Irregularities had occurred. He had every right to speak about the important issues that were taking place after the election. A technical violation of the constitution is not a violation of criminal law. That is just plain wrong. Except a technical violation of the constitution by definition is still a violation of the constitution. The constitution, in six different places, opposes insurrection and our constitution is designed to stop people from trying to overthrow elections, and trying to overthrow the government. Moments later, democratic congressman jamie raskin responded to lauro by making th
bought. he said this week that if trump is indicted in georgia, he will not receive special treatment. he will be booked and photographed like any other defendant. joining me now, maya wylie, former assistant u.s. attorney and president of the leadership conference on civil and human rights. tara, lincoln project senior advisor and former gop communications director. and hayes brown, writer and editor for msnbc daily. great to have the three of you with us this evening. miles, i will start with you. one of the points trump s lawyer is making is that trump truly believed he won the election. but in the indictment, we see time and time again, that he was told by mike pence, the u.s. intelligence official, justice department leaders, state legislators, advisers, anyone who can get within earshot of the president that the election fraud claims were false. so, a, does it matter what donald trump believed, so long as he was trying to convince others to go along with his plan? and be, why d
don t have to show there s a criminal enterprise. you don t have to show that there is the existence of something, although in this case, there is. there is a campaign, there s administration, there is the relationships among the group of people. but at the same time, you know, what you have to show to they re acting in concert to do something, to do something that is a shared purpose. i think just as we have seen it in the indictment in d.c., you know, the facts are the same and in fact, the georgia section of the federal indictment is the largest of the second by any of the stakes. and when you think about it that way, you think about the strength of that particular state, that is the evidence that we know that fani willis is also looking at, in order to apply for her own statute. so, it s not a weak case, by any stretch of the imagination, and she can charge the election fraud as well. hey, tara, trump tried to have this investigation halted
former president won t say these sorts of things that they re trying to say. it is going to be a fun read and i m very excited to see what chutkan s response is going to be, because she has shown already that she s not willing to play with these delays, these delaying tactics that we have seen. this is another one. another one is going to be the attempt to try to get her to recuse herself or change of venue. why change venue? it all happened in washington, d.c.. it is all a delay tactic and or an attempt to push the politics of it out there, because trump knows that the only way for him to get out of this, at this point, is for him to win the presidency again. so, he wants to make fewer legal arguments and more political ones. i was going to say, i know what you mean by saying it s going to be a fun read. but to tara s point that, you know, with their attack on our democracy, really, it s not fun and games to see them kind of enter these terminologies into our lexicon. you know, we h