way it has in this case. the problem is there s no direct evidence. they haven t found the gun. they dredge ad lake out there near attleborough. they have enough circumstantial evidence that the judge commented on it. this isn t over for him obviously. this will continue. another grand jury meeting right now. grand juries are secret. one is going on with regard to the 2012 slaying in boston which may have led to this murder. the belief is lloyd was speaking to some people who may have had information about t2012 murder which made hernandez mad. defense attorneys seem confident. they are acting confident but that s part of their role here. them saying it s circumstantial he, if you have enough circumstantial evidence it s definitely enough to indict and overcome the burden of proof here. you wonder if they aren t trying to get somebody to flip.