money and time and people s time was spent on that. but this has happened in the past when it was the children unaccompanied children coming over the border. we were told they all had diseases. they all belonged to gangs. all these horrors were going to be visited upon the united states. and so over and over we re told about these horrible things that are going to happen because of what s happening at the border, and none of them ever come to fruition. and this is the same thing that president trump is doing right now. so what about him being the master negotiator, kirsten, because remember, you know, it was a concrete wall. he said as much. yeah. now he s saying, i never said it, but he did say it. now it s a steel wall, but $5.7 billion for a steel barrier. right. well, i mean the thing is we re talking about it like he should be negotiating with congress, but he really should be negotiating with mexico. and i m not joking. he made a campaign promise that mexico was going t
why do we even have to do it and, i don t know, expose the viewer and the american people to propaganda? let me give you a little different take for your audience. my feeling is this. this is the president taking to a disadvantage, not an advantage. this isn t a twitter thread. this isn t some quip. this isn t any of the other manifestations of our political dialogue that you were discussing. this is him in realtim, on live television, addressing the american people and making a case. he does it very rarely. and this is a tough case for him to make. and i think that this plays to his disadvantage, not to the disadvantage of the truth and not to the american people. they should hear from their elected leader why he is making americans suffer. yeah. and after it, we will say what was right and what wasn t right. i won t belabor it, but i think also the last part is what i wanted to talk about as well. yes. the longer these stories keep coming out about people who can t make ends
what s happening at the border, and none of them ever come to fruition. and this is the same thing that president trump is doing right now. so what about him being the master negotiator, kirsten, because remember, you know, it was a concrete wall. he said as much. yeah. now he s say, i never said it, but he did say it. now it s a steel wall, but $5.7 billion for a steel barrier. right. well, i mean the thing is we re talking about it like he should be negotiating with congress, but he really should be negotiating with mexico. and i m not joking. he made a campaign promise that mexico was going to pay for this wall, and now we have a government shutdown where people are in really dire straits financially. good point. because he was not able to fulfill that promise, which he said over and over. this was not some off the cuff thing. this was something that he said and now it s been turned into this thing where, oh, well, nancy pelosi needs to get together with him and make thi
or what happened when they were stopped. we need to find out more information about that, but that s the reporting from nbc tonight. okay? so here s the real whopper. remember when the president said this about the wall? this should have been done by all of the presidents that preceded me, and they all know it. some of them have told me that we should have done it. well, as we always say around here, facts matter. and the fact is none of this president s living predecessors support him on the wall, not one. okay? not one. the carter center put out a statement from former president jimmy carter today, and i quote, i have not discussed the border wall with president trump and do not support him on the issue. president carter, which really couldn t be any more clear, couldn t be clearer than that. a spokesman for former president bill clinton told cnn last week he never said that.
truth. he has his right to make the argument to the american people. and by the way, wanting barriers along the border is not propaganda. no, no, no. it s not immoral. it s not wrong. the facts about that, though, who wants it, who doesn t, how much it actually does protect, like you said, it s not a panacea. it s not a cure-all, there are other aspects, other technologies that go along with that. 100%, and that s our job. i have no problem with this. i see no problem with this. i believe that fears of people saying that, you know, you should limit the exposure of this president to the american people, i dismiss that notion entirely. i think that is anathema to american political exchange. wait, wait, wait. i m not saying you re calling for it. i m saying when i hear it, that s what i think. no, i understand. i don t think limiting it. i do think and i said this before. i do think the strategy or whatever it is that you did in the past is different with this president