lot of people back in their heels talking at a recent doj filing that indicates that in addition to all the other weapons that we ve heard about, at least one member of these groups brought grenades, brought military ordinance grenades with them to january six. how significant is it to the investigation, what you ve been able to uncover, with the justice department has been able to uncover, about weapons, about i munition, about the degree to which the crowd was armed and the degree to which president trump knew it? well, i think it s an essential thing rachel for the american people to understand, because i think everybody gets the point that donald trump used these extremist groups. but they used him to. they used him in order to build a functioning street fascist alliance essentially. we saw the creation of a mass fighting street army by the extreme right for the first time in our lifetimes.
to hang on to the presidency in that way. congressman, the evidence presented today by you and your colleagues make clear why everyone was so bullish about cassidy hutchinson present surprise public testimony last week. i wonder if you can confirm something that pat cipollone corroborates every single one of cassidy hutchinson s anecdotes about life inside the west wing? well, that s not how we interview the witnesses. we don t take a witness and say can you corroborate every single thing that this witness said? i will tell you that elise to my mind, pat cipollone as the white house counsel corroborated every single major element of the story that we have already set forth to congress and the american people. there was an effort to go to the state legislatures to set aside the popular vote and appoint electors directly for trump. there were efforts to shake down state election officials like secretary of state brad raffensperger in georgia, and
doubt, with this is the moment this police officer suffered a concussion. and that s the minute when donald trump didn t act. it will all be there. one of those, stunning things that happened, that sometimes does in hearing rooms after the testimonies are over, is, you showed some of it, but stephen ayers, going over to the capitol police officers, and he chose to do this. he chose to go over, and shake their hands. there is a stunning photograph a still that s out there now, of harry dunn, sitting there in uniform, with a handshake. and the person who tweeted the photograph said, apology offered an apology, accepted. harry dunn took that photograph. re-tweeted it, and said, apology offered. that s right. he is actually gonna join us at 10:00 tonight. we will find out if that s an apology accepted by harry dunn. the thing is to connect, to your point to the points that you ve all been making, you know, i have had this like obsessive question in my mind, what happened between the
again, this speaks to the fact that there is, there really was consciousness of guilt. the other thing i thought that you did a great job laying this out, the witnesses, just very clear now, the crowd was the weapon. yeah. he had nothing left at that point. you know he doesn t have control you know zeke can t send the national guard. he cannot do a traditional coup. the courts didn t work. he s hoping to get through congress, but all is left is the weapon, and it s wielded like a weapon, and everyone around the partners that the proud boys go early, but they know they need backup. trump goes on the ellipse, and he hurls it, like you know, a slingshot. and at the capitol, like, the crowd is the weapon. that is crystal clear now after the hearing. there is something sarkozy. i mean, the testimony about the otr, builds on cassidy hutchinson testimony, and we talked about it together afterward, where liz cheney has her go through almost a boring explanation of whether what is
as they said, the next hearing, like lawrence was just describing, is gonna be minute by minute on generous x. and today, starting december, mid december, when the electors cast their votes. and so, it was over. and trump was told by an amazing array of people, including we re about to see, members of his family, that it was over. and then, he decided he needed this plan b. so that is next. today s hearing also revealed extend to its people in trump s orbit including his family, knew that it was over in mid december, before he started on this other course. that s all ahead. stay with us. it makes me mad because, i was hanging on every word he was saying. everything he was putting out, i was following. i mean, if i was doing it, hundreds or thousands or millions of people are doing it, or maybe still doing it, the thing is, i consider myself a family man. and i love my country. i don t think anyone man is bigger than either one of