re re resu resu resumablely. everyone calling for some type of an independent investigation, hopefully, that ll develop information that can shed lights. there is still so many remaining questions. no question about that. authorities now say it was the wrong decisions for officers to wait outside the classrooms instead of moving into neutralize the gunman. you are a former s.w.a.t. team commander, tell us about this. it is astounding to me that they did not know that at the time. yes, i would agree, jim. we need to know the truth. we need to know the facts. it seems like every time there is a press conference, there two things that happen, more information that s given and corrections of the past information. that s very critical that the information that s released is
start shooting they obviously would have went through the bathroom door and engaged him. reporter: a text comes through at 4:30 saying he is going to put suicide vests on us and blow the club up. that must have accelerated things significantly. it did. negotiations had stopped and he wasn t answering our phone calls. it was relayed to us he had explosives and he was going to blow the club up if we didn t back out. no one backed out. when my s.w.a.t. team commander tells me what the plan is, i say get ready for an explosive breach. he comes back and says, they re ready. went off. hit the lights and the dust settled an the wall was still there. reporter: s.w.a.t. officer robert woodyard aims his truck at the rear wall. i change in to four-wheel
worked quickly to rescue survivors hiding throughout the club. some two dozen hostages remain trapped in the south bathroom and in the north the gunman is pointing his assault rifle towards the door, ready for police. it is more than two hours into the standoff. why isn t anyone coming to get us in the bathroom? there s two people in here that are about to die. there s four already dead. somebody needs to come in here now. if our officers who were feet away had heard him start shooting, they, obviously, would have went right through that bathroom door and engaged him. a text comes through at about 4:30 saying he s going to put suicide vests on us and blow the club up. that must have accelerated things significantly? it did. negotiations had stopped. it was relayed to us while we were in there he had explosions and he was going to blow the club up if we didn t back out. no one backed out. my s.w.a.t. team commander
start shooting they obviously would have went through the bathroom door and engaged him. reporter: a text comes through at 4:30 saying he is going to put suicide vests on us and blow the club up. that must have accelerated things significantly. it did. he wasn t answering our calls. it was clear to us he had explosives and he was going to blow the club up if we didn t back out. no one backed out. when my s.w.a.t. team commander tells me what the plan is, i say get ready for an explosive breach. he comes back and says, they re ready. went off. hit the lights and the dust settled an the wall was still there. s.w.a.t. officer robert woodyard aims at the rear wall. i change in to four-wheel drive and drove at the hole that was supposed to be breached. it was the hallway, the