she had absorbed the whole concept of duty from her father and has never left from it at all. what was hard for the queen, was suddenly she was required to be something else. she had always her life followed this creed of composure and reserve. all of a sudden, she was being asked to emote. the british people wanted her to be crying, wanted her to say i m so upset about the death of my daughter. that s not what the queen can do. that s the only time she put a foot wrong, in a sense, with her people. that s what they wanted in that particular moment. with this backdrop what do you think of what the sussexs have done? they ve gone completely in another direction. now they re all about emotion all the time. of course the oprah interview stunned and floored the royal family. in a way, it was almost more puzzling and traumatic to them than diana s famous interview
metaphorically they have gone from being a list members of the royal family to very much this trip so far being treated like b list or worse not in the balcony. not in the shots we are seeing in the church. not even sure where they are in the church certainly not with immediately family not with his dad and brother at a thanksgiving service for the queen. i find it it s a really significant and remarkable thing to watch that happen in the church. it s like they are in time-out and they are being punished for theirir actions and they have got to be taught a lesson. that s what this feels like they are being taught a lesson. piers: what do americans make of this w between the factions in the family do you think? i think initially americans were extremely excited about the sussexs. but, you know, in the middle of a plague they decided to come out and complain about things that seem petty. people are struggling, lost their jobs, can t pay their rent and they wanted to complain about
piers: the theme of public service is at the heart of the platinum jubilee here in the u.k. schoolfield knows this well. kinsey good to see you. good see you as well. piers: protected from the gruesome june weather. fascinating stuff going on in this church because the queen, who is the main event is not here. right. piers: focus has moved to the other royals right in the front row charles and camilla, kate and william big players no big sign on meghan and harry they have been air brushed out from the main pictures of the scene. i don t even believe they are directly behind the royals. piers: they are not. what do you make of that. i think it was strategic. i think it was a good idea. again, they are trying not to distract from a celebration of a woman that has been absolutely selfless. you know, the sussexs themselves. piers: smack in the teeth
horses. and she knows what she s talking about too. on sunday the gold state coach will make its first appearance in decades leading a procession of performers an personalities. prince charles will step in when his mother feels unable to make an event, part of the transition plans preparing us for the next phase of the british monarchy. what is always most telling about these occasions is the balance ccony appearance. in 2002, we saw the entire extended family. in 2012, it was stripped right back to its core to reflect the more austere times. and this year it is working royals only. so that means that you won t see prince andrew or prince harry with meghan. they are all off the list. the sussexs are invited and will appear possibly with their two children during events. and the world will be looking closely at their body language as they interact with other
family members have to be there, but i think the queen will be delighted that they have come back and the wider family. this is the first time they have all been together since march 2020. it is a really significant moment. and whatever happens this weekend, it is all about the queen, supporting her, and they will want to focus on that. everyone on message, this is about celebrating the positives of the monarchy. we won t see prince andrew at all as we understand it, so they have drawn some sort of distinction between the sussexs and andrew. why do you think that might be? obviously the scandals surrounding andrew have created more challenges for the quaeen. this moment has not been without trouble for the last year. and obviously everything that happened to andrew throughout the trial, the settlement that was made, has put him at the very lowest popularity for any royal. harry and meghan are the next most unpopular after him. so i think that it is just wanting to make sure that th