passed that would force open the fed s books. unfortunately, not for its entire history but just for a two-year period that covered the bailout, and even that only covered emergency overnight loans and some of the bailout programs. in december they got a list of all these people who had received moneys through received monies through all these various programs. some of them are exactly who you would expect them to be. some are major u.s. banks, some are not who you d expect them to be. non-american companies, non-american banks. that wasn t even the most interesting part. i looked through this list. in order to sell this to my editors, i picked out the craziest names i could find on the list. the two i found were christie mac and susan karchez. christie mack was the wife of a ceo of morgan stanley. these two women as far as i can tell have no business experience
t.a.r.p. bailout. there was talf. it gets bigger and others. what i m saying is on wall street there were a lot of people trying to figure out how they could get a piece. but the government wanted them to do that. that was the whole point of the exercise. in the end, i m sure we re going to go back with a microscope and find a lot of instances that don t look pretty good. matt, you re a reporter, you talked to these women? no. neither of them would christy mack flatly refused to comment. and susan, i approached everyone to get a comment out of her and was unable to. i called them and they declined comment. i wasn t able to give they borrowed taxpayer dollars, but it isn t clear that taxpayers lost money in this. let me just tell you, did the fed give you a response? no, they did not. they gave you a response. they gave me a response. the fed told me any u.s. firm could borrow from talf.