battle that would just really make what s already a messy situation even worse. so governor, what are the ramifications of perjuring themselves? well, that s a felony punishable by imprisonment and that s usually what actually happens. susan can correct me if i m mistaken, but i think that s what sent scooter libby to jail. it wasn t something that he actually did. i think it was perjury, but i m not sure, is that correct? yes, that is correct. yeah. susan, we ve been listening to white house chief of staff reince priebus who has vowed this morning that president trump s claims of being surveilled by the obama administration are going to prove to be true. let s take a look at this. the president, except the conclusion from all sides that president obama did not wiretap trump tower during the campaign and is he ready to apologize? well, first of all. the answer is no, but no, he doesn t accept it. no.
no, i didn t. i never said anything of the kind. let s bring in former vermont governor howard dean and former chairman of the democratic national committee and susan del pedel percio. he s saying this is one big coincidence. is it possible? if these guys have to testify under oath if they go before the committee and don t testify under oath is a total waste of anybody s time. if he has to testify under oath to that he s going to be in major, major trouble and so will the rest of them. so, wait, if they go voluntarily do they not potentially have to testify under oath? well, you know, nunes has been basically a shield for trump this whole time and he ll do everything he can to wiggle his way out of this and wiggle trump s way out of this. yes, the democrats need to insist that they be under oath and it s not a quote, unquote,
committee hearing on monday you had a couple more. you had former trump advisers, paul manafort and carter page volunteered to testify in the russian investigation. what is the strategy here? big picture, do you sense there say coordination with the trump administration? would it matter if there is coordination? i think they re probably trying to get their stories straight, but again, if they testify under oath to something that s not true, there is a pretty good chance comey will find out and i think also commey has a dossier around them and no way of knowing how much of that he s shared with the intel committee behind closed doors. these guys are in trouble. this is not a good thing. i agree with susan and that s great insight. of course, they re doing this because they re going to get subpoenaed anyway, although again, nunes controls the subpoena power. yeah, but if they didn t just to follow up on the govern s point, if they didn t subpoena, then you dave democrats like schif
back to turkey. that s the so the reason for this stuff, and susan s right, what happened probably is first of all, obama had nothing to do with any of this. second of all, what s probably going on is there are people inside the trump admintrn or transition team tha were, in fa, dlcolluding with foreign powers that were swept up and that s what these guys are so worried about because if that s the case they were breaking the law. i want to quickly ask you about reince priebus having called it a coincidence asking people to watch fox news that the host called on house speaker paul ryan to step down. right. how likely was it that he was helping out a friend as had been described or he knew what was going to be said and he was trying to point people to that show for the informational purposes? look, i don t try to pretend to read donald trump s mind, but i have to go with the latter rather than the former.
this is really going to get tough, and the tax reform piece will be fascinating because i want to see if those very conservative people who want to balance the budget are willing to run up a huge deficit in order to do quote, unquote tax reform and the tax reform has to be paid for and they ll use the their 300 billion that obama would save in order to partly pay for tax reform. now what are they going to do? susan, quickly with regard to the president tweeting having people watch a fox news show, what s behind that? i m not sure, donald trump has taken out the freedom caucus on twitter and he s made reference to the janeane pirro show and donald trump is looking to spread the blame around a little bit and convolute the issue and at the end of the day he s not going to go against speaker ryan and call for his ouster. susan del percio, and howard dean, thanks, guys. some of your child s favorite retail stores could be