into its constitution, so it may not come as a surprise zelensky saying, if it were to be that compromise, it would need to be put to a referendum. territory, sovereignty, it is extremely important to ukraine, the ukrainian foreign minister has laid out some of those red lines for ukraine. translation: the president of ukraine gave clear instructions. for our delegation. we do not trade land, people or sovereignty. this is not for negotiation. here, our position is reinforced concrete supported by international law and ukraine s armed forces. that s fairly uncompromising, and compromise in a time of war is extremely difficult to achieve. we have the russian side, as well, any hints to the overtures they might make? this is the question that has dogged diplomats since before the invasion and after, what is president putin thinking?
mulvaney had placed a hold on $391 million in military assistance for ukraine. that was a red flag for people like ambassador bill taylor. that brings us to the july 25th call. the call at the center of the impeachment inquiry. zelensky whose country had lost 13,000 soldiers at the hands of the russians said ukraine was ready to buy more anti-tank missiles from the united states. trump responded i want you to do us a favor, though. and reiterated his desire for investigations. the pressure campaign seemed to continue for some time after that. much of the testimony we have seen so far has served to full in those timelines. zelensky s team reportedly scheduled an interview for mid-september on cnn in which president zelensky would announce investigations to please trump and to unfreeze the military aid. but it never came to that because on september 11th after lawmakers started asking about that mysterious hold on aid for
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look, at the time we were worried about this, as you were saying, drug deal and the like. so the evidence here is really suggestive of the real problem, and new reporting this week in the washington post suggests that other people who we haven t even heard from yet were all trying to come up with a justification, like chief of staff mulvaney when the whistle-blower allegations happened they tried to almost backdate and try and come up post hoc with a rationalization kind of when the president did when he d pick someone and it turned out to be wrong they would just edit that out, reverse the tape, do something else to make it look like he knew all along the right answer. they are trying to do that here. i don t think it s going to work. one of the most stunning things, jeremy, is that with some white house scandals you try to figure out how high up it went, what did the president know and when did he know it. one of the things that came through, really most dramatically, from gordon
trump was directing the black op. trump was directing the extortion of ukraine. what do you think it says that trump is now directing all of his deputies to refuse to comply with congress which could be more criminal exposure for those deputies? well, one of the articles of impeachment may turn on obstruction of justice. and who has been ordering the obstruction of justice, it s obviously the president here in this case. but i think your point, nicole, your fund penfundamental point poor president, he got bad news or bad briefings from his staff. no, he was the one who was advancing the lie. let s not call it a conspiracy theory. it was a lie. he was advancing the lie that it wasn t russia who helped him in the 2016 election, was ukraine who helped who knows. and the president was the one who was advancing that, and the