important these referrals. are we know they are not binding. so then what do they really mean? right, so the justice department typically sort of insulates itself from these outside recommendations or requests. this case might be a little unusual. because the committee has played that even important role in servicing evidence, surfacing information. and really making it incumbent upon the doj to move forward in this case. it is likely that in addition to substantive sort of recommendations about the conduct that led to january 6th, and the entirety of the big lie that the committee may also refer people who they believe were involved in obstructing the committee s work. that seems likely that we might seem something along those lines so whether these will be broad and expansive recommendations, or whether they will be very limited and targeted, it seems to be something that the committee is still engaging in back and
referrals at this sunday meeting? that is the plan. yes. joyce, your take on how important these referrals. are we know they are not binding. so then what do they really mean? right, so the justice department typically sort of insulates itself from these outside recommendations or requests. this case might be a little unusual. because the committee has played that even important role in servicing evidence, surfacing information. and really making it incumbent upon the doj to move forward in this case. it is likely that in addition to substantive sort of recommendations about the conduct that led to january 6th, and the entirety of the big lie that the committee may also refer people who they believe were involved in obstructing the committee s work. that seems likely that we might seem something along those lines so whether these will be broad and expansive recommendations, or whether they will be very limited and targeted, it seems to be something that the committee is
ground. ukraine finding their work particularly crucial for locating russian troops. is this the changing face of war do you think? where ordinary people play this critical role in holding accountable some of these countries for the war crimes they re committing. in this instance, russia. well, in this case, the fact that there s this massive global ad hoc community of people who are surfacing information about potential war crimes, documenting what s going on and even revealing information about russian troop movements i think is tremendously helpful both to what ukraine perhaps is doing militarily, but also to the information war and to the role that ukraine is playing in it. and to the global understanding of what s happening in ukraine. clearly, putin, if he had his way, would be cutting off the world from knowing what he was doing. he certainly tries to do it in russia and he has tried to do it
isn t as important in the setting of a flu pandemic as it is with the coronavirus. we should have been prepping plans that were focused and flexible and not planning just around a single pathogen which is what we did. paul: so what do we do next time? do we have to blow up the cdc? i hate the idea perhaps of starting a whole new organization, you know, that just becomes another bureaucracy. what do we do to fix this? you know, you exactly right, we can t create a new agency. i think it s going to require a different kind of mindset, different kind of culture, different kind of capabilities, one with a more national security focus. for example, cdc s very uncomfortable surfacing information that s partially predictive. that s why the guidance they issued all had the same level of certainty associated with them even if the underlying science sometimes is far more speculative because it s not an