30 million people then? if you have an idea, tell us what it is. dana: jasper chasing his tail. greg: that is a dollar to obama s fund. dana: we settled that and jasper is on the table. jasper, jasper, jasper! justice roberts switch his vote after siding with the conservatives. what made him change his sunshine interesting news on that when we come back. thank you. thank you for serving.
they won and be done with it. dana: the interesting thing is that when president obama said it to george stephanopoulos, i guess that was their position. then, when they went to court to file the brief, the solicitor general argued it was a tax to keep it constitutional. why would they deny it now? kimberly: it s perfectly keeping with how they operate in terms of their campaigning. whatever it takes to do to win. whoever they need to pander to. for this, i mean look, they will take a win whatever way they can get it. i don t know why they try to disavow it. they were able to get through thanks to chief justice roberts who made it work for them. dana: so bob, if you keep your political hat on for a second, if you are in chicago, and you are looking at this like oh, my gosh, we don t want to be labeled this as the biggest tax increase in the last 20 years what would you advise them? bob: i would advise them there is nothing different today than if they went to the commerce claus
having worked as spokesperson on his confirmation with other people you could not have found a conservative who didn t think he was the best possible choice. kimberly: true. dana: at the time. gregg is for his legacy, though. dana: roberts legacy. greg: he knows the left writes the history. dana: i am skeptical about what comes out about the supreme court. this is plause to believe me. it s troubling and disappointing. president obama voted against him. and justice alito. the much maligned argument on the first amendment. he also cited against bush. you don t know how he wilrule. conservatives thought he would be reliable. the contortionist thing is troubling to a lot. bob: the thing about the citizens united had a lot to do with this. he felt the sting on that. he was not on the court when gorev. bush came down but it
bob: of all the discussions we have had about obamacare around the issue, not one of you raised the tax issue. not one of you. eric: it was never an issue. it was commerce clause. greg: it wasn t a tax. we stupidly took them at their word. we thought maybe they weren t lying or maybe they were competent. turns out they re lying and incompetent. bob: you call it a tax makes eric: we didn t call it a tax. this table didn t call it a tax. supreme court justice roberts called at it tax and it passed because it was a tax. bob: you never brought up the tax aspect of it before. dana: because president obama never said it was a tax. now chief justice who they hang their hats on upholding the law called it a tax. then they say it s not. kimberly: heads up it would work. dana: sore losers are really annoying. sore winners are worse. the fact it goes on to almost all americans that whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. this is a tax? why is the i.r.s. hiring 4,500 new agents? to collect a
roberts was shrewd in how he did this. there is nothing different about obamacare, if it was a fine, taxer commerce clause kimberly: bob is saying he doesn t care. they got the outcome bob: to call it socialized medicine is an absurd crazy idea. dana: no, it s not. er rick, you are shaking your head. i want to go to you last so you can sum it up. when it s a tax is not a tax? eric: when they say it s we ll call at it tax. ever since it was called a tax, passed because it s a tax. democrats say it s not a tax. if it s not, go back to the commerce clause argument and it will fail. so you have to stay with the tax michigan problem is this. we are fighting, the conservatives are fighting to call it a tax. then mitt romney s guy comes out today and it s not a tax. what in the world are you you know what? do us a favor. take a vacation. come back november 7. after the election. it s a tax!