these allegations finally became public, my thought back to the anita hill hearing was that exactly the wrong way to determine whether the allegations that dr. ford has made are true and whether brett kavanagh is telling the truth when he categorically denies them is to have a hearing with 19 senators going back and forth in 10-minute rounds questioning these two witnesses. an investigation which allows for all people with relevant information to be questioned and for the facts to be assembled in a way that senators can then understand what is known and what is not known and perhaps have a public hearing, if necessary. but a circus is not what we need for allegations of this seriousness and this importance to the future of the country. lindsey graham s bullying we just saw about we re doing this on monday, take it or leave it, has been undermined not only by dr. ford s strength, which i believe will definitely prevail
been this race, the idea that the chairman just dictates without consulting with her what happens next and how quickly. and again, at a time where brett kavanagh has his security detail, he s hanging out the white house preparing, she s fleeing from her home in the wake of just being outed in essence, as the person who she says was that brett kavanagh attempted to rape. and so i think it s just unfair to rush this way. and really there is no reason to rush, zero reason to rush. and i would say even the mid terms aren t reason to rush, certainly not for that party, for the republican party that was more than willing to wait more than 400 days to leave that seat open before when merrick garland was pending before the senate. and wasn t even given a single hearing on his nomination. and, lisa, just a quick point about witnesses in your committee, the judiciary committee, i m not sure what the rules are on subpoenas. they are different on each committee in the senate. with mark judge,
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questions, can really and bring to bear information that they have accumulated from other witnesses in asking those questions. and get the full story from these people in a way that senators asking questions before a national television audience and some of them grandstanding or trying to put forward a point of view can t do. you know, lisa is absolutely right about the truthfulness being the important thing here. this was the senator that i worked for, senator russ finegold published a piece that said when he was evaluating nominees, truthfulness was a nonnegotiable quality. brett kavanagh s truthfulness has been called into question by the hearing so far and now we have an issue where he has categorically denied allegations and again, it s a question of whether he is telling the truth. that s something that i think the senate has a duty to determine. all senators who are going to vote on this nomination need to know the facts of this
is what happens at georgetown prep stays at georgetown prep. that s been a good thing for all of us, i think. not any more, brett kavanagh, not any more. joining us now is barbara mcquade, form u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan and profess ever of law at the university of michigan. also an nbc news and msnbc legal contributor. mika also joining us, and lisa graves who is formerly from the senate judiciary committee is still with us. and, mika, i want to get your congressional committee experience on what you re seeing unfold here tonight. i actually find it really interesting that the republicans are rushing ahead with this hearing and with this vote. it s almost as if they are afraid the kind of culture that brett kavanagh comes out of may result in another woman coming forward with another experience of a similar drunken evening of inappropriate sexual approaches to her.