out as having abandoned the cause of jihad and by choosing to work within democracy and to try to compete in elections, they fear the muslim brothers are sellouts, upholding an un-islamic order. they have all kinds of blood curdling lines about dying for the sake of god is our highest as pieration. when those lines are uttered by rolly poly physicians they become less frightening. is it fair what you re describing is a group that is socially and politically pretty reaction narry on issues like women rights, as werners would extreme as reactionary and socially conservative to say the least but you don t detect any strong current that are deeply anti-democratic or that support violence in jihad. is that a fair summary?