fabric to drape properly. when you looked at pictures of the slightly more buxom models, men do not prefer the skinny ones, they like the curves. but they are not selling clothes to men they sell to women. neil: the final point, you think the pressure will be on male models who are very thin and gaunt, almost, i guess it and what it is, but there seems to be you have to promote super lean. what is the difference between super lean? guest: well, who knows on each individual person because there is weight of bone and genes but there is more anorexia in guys because they want the six-pack or eight-pack. you know how you get that? the kind they sport on the runway? you have to get so lean, you have to have 3 percent or 4