closed. as you can see, you re doing the next segment, mental health. the mental health of america s children was important to me. i had grandchildren at the time, and i really felt like people should be outside. so we asked dhs to do an analysis to compare surface disinfectant, which every mother knows, to sunlight, to be able to convince mothers and mayors that playground equipment was safe outside because of sunlight, and the fact that sunlight creates what we call free radicals. they re natural disinfectants. dhs was asked to do the study. they presented it to task force. our conclusion is we can go to the mayors now and the governors on the governor s call and tell them children can be outside. it deteriorated into that. in other words, the president heard some kernel of truth about sunlight being safe for kids on a playground and took it to that point. so how do you that was just one of many moments that you had to grapple with, with former president trump. how do you deal wi