people who knew them. a lot of them will say, maybe they knew something was off. something seemed wrong. they seem depressed. they were a bit worried, but they weren t actually worried about a mass shooting. specifically many of them will say this was out of character. they were trying to intervene, but they didn t know what to do. you can kind of just hear this sort of shock and fear in her voice. yes, and so given that and also given the dynamic of this being a workplace shooting, you know when, just in recent weeks we were talking about school shootings. what is something that people people look for? when you when you talk about preventing this from happening? when it comes to bold school shootings and workplace shootings. the most likely perpetrator by far is an insider . so a student of that school and employee of that workplace um you re looking for things like noticeable changes in behavior changes in are they coming to work on time? how are they acting? we call it kinds of sign
school shootings. what is something that people people look for? when you when you talk about preventing this from happening? when it comes to both school shootings and workplace shootings. the most likely perpetrator by far is an insider . so a student of that school and employee of that workplace um you re looking for things like noticeable changes in behavior changes in are they coming to work on time? how are they acting? we call it kinds of signs of a crisis. oftentimes perpetrators leak their plans. they tell other people that they re thinking of doing this. they tell other people that they re suicidal. um and these really are kind of angry suicides meant to make headlines so any warning signs would be any signs of sort of suicidality or crisis. sean what do you make of what you heard from the governor there when we were talking about red flag laws because it s not totally clear. that would have helped in this situation, if, if the if his own parents didn t know that he had acces
family, other family members, other friends no one really. maybe understood. just what kind of crisis he was having. certainly if you everything we know now, based on the mother s reaction to this, there was never any indication that he was ever into guns was interested. and guns so no one would ever think he would go and purchase the gun and we know there s evidence that he had no idea how to use this weapon. at first, he had no idea that how to take the safety off how to charge the gun. i mean, it actually delayed some of his actions that day, so it s very hard. um in this case, i think you know, as the governor said, you know, if people don t know how can you stop it right so um, it s an interesting point that he makes and certainly an interesting issue with the mental health crisis that we see in a lot of these instances in these incidents, obviously a huge focus on kentucky s gun laws, which are some of the loosest in the nation, and we talked about not only no red flag laws, no u
guns. those parents of the gunmen have issued a statement saying that they knew their son was struggling with depression, but they saw no signs. he was capable of violence. we turn now to my one on one with kentucky governor andy bashir, a democratic governor and a red state reckoning with a crisis that is uniquely american. i want to start with the officer wilt. he was one of the officers who was shot. during this he was just fresh out of the police academy. he had just graduated. do you know how he s doing? officer wilt is a hero. he and officer galloway, where able to get there really about three minutes after the first call came in. and we ve lost five people thus far. including a very close friend of mine, but we would have lost more. but for what those two individuals and so many more dead now they rushed right in. they put their lives on the line. and because of that, officer will s life is
they re thinking of doing this. they tell other people that they re suicidal. um and these really are kind of angry suicides meant to make headlines so any warning signs would be any signs of sort of suicidality or crisis. sean what do you make of what you heard from the governor there when we were talking about red flag laws because it s not totally clear. that would have helped in this situation, if, if the if his own parents didn t know that he had access to guns, parents, family , other family members, other friends no one really. maybe understood. just what kind of crisis he was having. certainly if you from everything we know now, based on the mother s reaction to this, there was never any indication that he was ever into guns was interested. guns so no one would ever think he would go and purchase a gun and we know there s evidence that he had no idea how to use this weapon. at first, he had no idea that how to take the safety off how to charge the gun. i mean, it actually delay