fraudulent documents in order to get the loan, so all of that should be disgorged. and i think you re going to see arguments this afternoon that i think go particularly to the disgorgement point and why it should be so high. sue craig and lisa rubin, maybe you ll have a moment to grab a bite yourselves before grow back into the courtroom. thank you for coming out to talk to us. charles, you re going to stay with me. up next, the reported bomb threat, the latest chapter in a troubling trend facing our legal system. we re back in 60 seconds. we re s . he doesn t even have a mustache. only pay for what you need. liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty.
in terms of deciding what penalty to impose. i ve been curious by watching the questions he s asked, particularly today, he s a wild card in this in terms of whether or not he will fully bring the hammer down. the issues at play in this case have been in play during donald trump s whole career. he exaggerates, lies, inflates. he tries to evade authority and the law. this is the first time it s come into a public realm where he s being held accountable for decades of behavior. i don t think there s anything in this case that would surprise people who watched donald trump for a long time. the judgment day is finally coming. we have this shot up of where we expect the attorney general to speak. we also have lisa ruben outside the courtroom. what did you hear in this final day? reporter: ari, it was quite a doozy of a day. right before the lunch break the
she s obviously trying to signal that the courtroom is where they re doing most of the talking. she didn t delve into the specifics of the case and much of what our experts are reporting. lisa, you re nearby. we watched we don t have lisa. david kelly, former u.s. attorney for the southern district joins us. david, as mentioned, that was careful remarks. when you ran the sdny you would often say, look, don t expect dramatic speeches or long speeches because the trial is where you ll hear the arguments. now that we wrapped in court today, how strong do you think the case is and do you expect the judge to go to the $300 million mark in the fine? you know, it s an interesting question, ari. the two big points for the defense aside from the political
work on me. the people in the crowd were laughing. he was joking with the hosts who were not pressing him harshly. the people who see this trump might hear the very accurate alarm that many of us have, talking about his threats to the country and say, well, that guy is a good performer. he doesn t seem that alarming to me. that s the big challenge for the biden campaign and those of us on the prodemocracy side who see the truth about trump is to educate people in the ten months ahead. kimberly? i think that s exactly right. ari, i m concerned when i hear voters, even voters who say they won t vote for trump, republicans who believe that the court cases against him are nonsense, are political, are somehow in themselves anti-democratic moves by
now during the closing arguments, which are set to wrap up soon, we can also report the new york state lawyers reiterated their case. kevin wallace saying trump s team had the requisite intent that it s clear they set ut to do what they did when it came to this alleged fraud, which includes lying, falsifying many years of financial statements when numbers don t lie. when wallace called trump s witnesses a a murder s row of experts, chris believed objected and says it was a baseball reference, not the more chilling references we have heard in other courtrooms to actual murder. let s get to it with our experts today. former prosecutor andrew weisman and reporter sue craig, who was inside the courtroom. you have had reporters who have to play by all toez rules and come on out. big picture for folks catching