aid to the ukrainian government. let s unpack this a little bit because it s crazy. so i want to get to the heart of the crazy. as far as we understand it, paul manafort obviously was working for the pro-russian former dictator of ukraine who was overthrown in a popular uprising to russia.e dictator then fled i wouldn t say dictator. the authoritarian leader of ukraine? authoritarian-leaning. okay. fair enough. thank you. i appreciate it. so after yanukovych ends up hiding in russia after his government is overthrown, manafort and kilimnik seem to continue to have some political work, at least continue to maintain political contacts and some political interests in ukraine with the successor agencies, the successor parties to the guy who they had previously worked for. but the successor government to yanukovych is interested in getting at the corruption. that was part of his administration.
hiding in russia after his government is overthrown, manafort and kilimnik seem to continue to have some political work, at least continue to maintain political contacts and some political interests in ukraine with the successor agencies, the successor parties to the guy who they had previously worked for. but the successor government to yanukovych is interested in getting at the corruption. that was part of his administration. and as they re investigating corruption and clep tok rah cy in that government they actually start investigating meaningfully paul manafort and whether or not he was committing crimes essentially against the people of ukraine. is that fair? it s a little bit more complicated than that. actually, it s a lot more complicated than that i think. but especially when you re dealing with ukraine. ukraine is not a monolithic country. it is a democracy, even when it was ruled by yanukovych. when he left, the parties, the forces, the political forces,
agencies, the successor parties to the guy who they had previously worked for. but the successor government to yanukovych is interested in getting at the corruption. that was part of his administration. and as they re investigating corruption and kleptocracy in that government they actually start investigating meaningfully paul manafort and whether or not he was committing crimes essentially against the people of ukraine. is that fair? it s a little bit more complicated than that. actually, it s a lot more complicated than that i think. but especially when you re dealing with ukraine. ukraine is not a monolithic country. it is a democracy, even when it was ruled by yanukovych. when he left, the parties, the forces, the political forces, the business interests that he represented did not go anywhere. and in fact they tried to mount a challenge to the pro-western government that had come in with petro poroshenko, who was