command center or the war room on january 5th. that was the night before the insurrection. did you see any of them complying? oh, no, i don t see any of them complying. i m sure they ll fight it every step of the way, don. but it s worth remembering here, the role that lawyers played in all this, this coup attempt does not happen without lawyers who are willing to abuse their power, abuse the trust that we place in them as lawyers, that kim and i and many, many others hold as lawyers. this coup attempt does not get off the ground unless they have the blessing of lawyers like rudy giuliani, sidney powell, jenna ellis, boris epshteyn, people who are willing to abuse that power, spread a lie, put it out in front of courts, put it out in front of the american public. they have to have some real accountability here. they re not going to testify, but we need to know and understand what they did and just how dangerous it was. aren t they supposed to be people who care about the rule of la
the part of witnesses, let s subpoena them, as long as not a conflict with mueller and work that out so there is no oliver north immunization of a witness prevents him from being prosecuted, then everything is cop settic. what do you think, what are some of the outstanding questions? and where is all this thing with him cooperating? i think you have this turf war that s been going on for quite some time from the criminal probe with mueller and congressional probe. and conference going on because no one wants to willing any wants to testify in front of congress if it will put in front of mueller. two guilty pleas of people in the mueller probe, the american people have outstanding questions. and they have to do it what is the term of collusion and what
point, is that correct? reporter: it is possible. now, that is a threat that a judiciary committee is continuing to keep out there. chuck grassley, the chairman, did tweet after the news was announced about this deal saying that he does expect them to also appear openly. so there s no expectation that they should appear as well, but, of course, if they decline to do so, that would force the committee to either subpoena them, and then that could lead to a long process to try to get them to appear. so that may never happen if they decide not to. also, anderson, jared kushner, the president s son-in-law, coming before the house and senate intelligence committees next week on monday to the sen at, tuesday to the house, but also behind closed doors. unclear if that will ever happen publicly or if we will learn exactly what happen in that classified session. thanks very much. back with the panel. carl, earlier you made a point, and i think an important one, these behind-closed-doors te
announced about this deal saying that he does expect them to also appear openly. so there s no expectation that they should appear as well, but, of course, if they decline to do so, that would force the committee to either subpoena them, and then that could lead to a long process to try to get them to appear. so that may never happen if they decide not to. also, anderson, jared kushner, the president s son-in-law, coming before the house and senate intelligence committees senate, tuesday to the house.n but also behind closed doors. unclear if that will ever happen publicly or if we will learn exactly what happen in that classified session. manu raju, thanks very much. back with the panel. carl, earlier you made a point, and i think an important one, these behind-closed-doors testimony actually can be more efficient because you don t have senators or congress people playing to the cameras and you also have their staff asking questions. so it can be more direct. yes, and you also h