this far. i know that within three years we can have over 90% of our kids proficient or advanced and on a college track. reporter: these could be monumental gains when you consider only 10% of the students were proficient in years past. now we re anywhere from 35% to 50% proficient in english, and anywhere from 15% to 75% proficient in math. reporter: these are projections. official scores from state tests won t be available until this summer. justin cohen works to improve failing schools. he calls bott s goals ambitious and cautions against declaring early victory. what happens is schools that have achieved fragile gains can often slide back into underperformance once either resources are taken away or attention is distracted. reporter: he says there s more at stake. what i worry about with school turnaround is we we hit a plateau or we increase student scores to some extent, but they are still performing
these could be monumental gains when you consider only 10% of the students were proficient in years past. now, we re anywhere from 35% to 50% proficient in english, and anywhere from 15% to 75% proficient in math. these are projections. official scores from state tests won t be available until this summer. justin kiworks to improve faili schools. he calls the goals ambitious and cautions against declaring early victories. schools that get fragile gains can slide back into under performance once resources are taken away or distraction is happening. what i wonder with school turn around is we hit a plateau or we increase student scores to some extent, but they re still performing well below their peers in more affluent neighborhoods. at orchard garden, it goes
projections. official scores from state tests won t be able until the summer. justin cohen works to improve failing schools. he calls the goals ambitious and cautions against declaring early victory. what happens is schools that have achieved fragile gains can often slide back into under performance once resources are taken away or attention is distracted. reporter: he says there s more at stake. what i worry about with school turnaround is we hit a plateau or we increase student scores to some extent but they re still performing well below their peers in more affluent neighborhoods. reporter: at orchard gardens, the improvements go beyond test scores. behavior, it s night an day. literally spent the first week of school just teaching them how to walk in and out of my classroom. reporter: eric hall things his school is doing something right. i found out this was a turnaround school, i thought it was going to be like headaches every day. but that s what actually made it
in class. clayton: like what? guest: transcripts, for example. the student scores in virtual schools have to be entered manually into the local school system because virtual school is an entirely different school district. so, those two computers, they were not talking to each other. and my child s transcript went i looked at it did not show my child s virtual school classroom score. dave: this could be a good situation for really self motivated students but how might others suffer? how might your child suffer more so than if they had a teacher there each day. guest: well, it s really critical the parent be involved in the selection process. and that the parent has to be
per student and move it to a catholic school if you have to. that s the way you get real performance out of teachers. cheryl: wayne? i have to ask charlie this. are you saying you should not use student scores as not as one of the qualifications? is that what you are saying? i don t have a problem with that, but i m saying to a certain extent it s a flawed measure. you have don t know exactly how are we measuring them? i mean students in these really rough inner city schools i hate to break it to you, wayne the teachers face astronomical pressures just to teach them how to read and add. excuse me. excuse me. cheryl: hold on. hold on. wayne guys, hold on. wayne, i started with you. i want to end with you. there is an element in this. it s crazy. cheryl: wayne, i started with you, i want to end with you. i ask this again to you. do we save money does this information help us to save taxpayer money? it could, yes.