i represent the streets. they re not even worrying about gun control. it s just life. it s just a part of life. so, you know, i don t know. you ve got to look at the american culture and look at ourselves. in truth. we talk about the culture from the very beginning we admire the cowboy, the lone guy on the horse, the guy who solves problems simply and quickly with a blunt object or better yet a gun. if the people who have guns illegally on the street, they re not even thinking about it, they re not going to go for background checks. they re not going to do it. they re going to get them illegally. just i would buy them. what i m saying is we all agree if we could talk in a civil way, in a non-threatening way with really your hard core gun right person and say, look. there s got to be some common ground about straw buyers, for instance, limited amounts of rounds to a straw buyer who is clearly up to no good. there s got to be some common ground. there s got to be regulation.
it s just life. it s just a part of life. so, you know, i don t know. you ve got to look at the american culture and look at ourselves. isn t the culture from the very beginning we admire the cowboy, the lone guy on the horse, the guy who solves problems simply and quickly with a blunt object or better yet a gun. the people who have guns illegally on the streets, they re not going for background checks. they re going to get them illegally. what i m saying is we all agree if we could talk in a civil way, in a non-threatening way with really your hard core gun right person and say, look. there s got to be some common ground about straw buyers, for instance, limited amounts of rounds to a straw buyer who is clearly up to no good. there s got to be some common ground. regulation. if we stop talking about every gun owner like they re extremist and necessarily right
so much, i thought i have to go out and get one. i probably should get one before it s outlawed. would you own a gun? i ve owned guns my whole life. but this high level of talk doesn t affect what goes on in the streets. i represent the streets. they re not even worrying about gun control. it s just life. it s just a part of life. so, you know, i don t know. you ve got to look at the american culture and look at ourselves. in truth. we talk about the culture from the very beginning we admire the cowboy, the lone guy on the horse, the guy who solves problems simply and quickly with a blunt object or, better yet, a gun. if the people who have guns illegally on the street, they re not even thinking about it, they re not going to go for background checks. they re not going to do it. they re going to get them illegally. they are just going to buy them. what i m saying is we all agree if we could talk in a civil way, in a non-threatening way with really your hard core gun right
right. bill: what was his intent? so his intent was to get weapons to cartels. he s working as an illegal straw buyer who is someone who buys guns for people who can t. so he was taking, buying these weapons. let s not forget that the gun dealership that was selling these guns wasn t doing it because they wanted to. lone wolf trading company was doing it under the direction of the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms. so the dealership was selling these guns. atf told the dealership that he would be watched, he would be tracked down, these guns wouldn t go to mexico, and then the guns ended up in the mexico at these violent crime scenes we re seeing now and in the future. they watched the guy break the law over and over again with no arrests and no surveillance. bill: you mentioned brian terry, a beauty queen was found be dead, brian terry, the beauty queen incident with a mexican drug cartel, then you had an i.c.e. agent also in mexico,
called atf headquarters. reporter: most agents didn t know about fast and furious. those who did, followed ordered. it was relaid to me, they didn t have to explain anything to me. i was to do as i was told. agent don johnson blew the whistle after the murder of brian terry. it ended the program, but not the carnage in mexico. a straw buyer would be arrested in the parking lot or down the street. these stores were recruited by the atf and u.s. attorney s office, multiple sales approved, no arrests, and no surveillance outside the store. when did you first know about the program officially i believe called fast and furious? to the best of your knowledge, what date? not sure the exact date. but i probably heard about fast and furious for the first time over the past few weeks. the timeline called into question, and the house of representatives actually voted to hold him in contempt of