i mean, there were calls that we know about from kevin mccarthy, chris christie was on abc news, there were pleas from inside not just the republican party but trump s own base to beg the president to tell his supporters to go home. we may learn what all those communications sounded like, how they were met, who walked them into the oval office, whether ivanka or hope hicks or others articulated or expressed concern. i mean, we may really piece together the inside of the oval office, again, not because trump emailed anything, but because others may have walked out and sent an email to another colleague and said, i don t have anything yet. yeah, no, that s right. and we know that kevin mccarthy called from the capitol, begging the president to do more, to try to help, to call off what was happening. we know that the vice president was on the phone, calling back to the white house, trying to get a handle on the situation. we know that though trump
specific questions. i want to bring in some of our legal experts. harry, can you jump in on, first, the breaking news that this appeals court has, at least in their ruling, potentially cleared the way for what jonathan lemire described as a treasure-trove and having been a white house staffer, everything everything that happens is usually chronicled in some way, even if the president hasn t himself written it down. it s really big, and it s not just the words, nicole. it s also the music. two broad themes. they absolutely shut down trump s claim, but there are two broad claims in the opinion. one is about the political branches have made their decisions, biden has decided for the presidency, trump has no standing to override. but even bigger than that, the way they set out the facts and their statements is, this is a big constitutional moment. this is a big deal. they describe the actual events of january 6th with proper kind
in response, the president of the united states and congress have each made the judgment that access to this subset of presidential communications and records is necessary to address a matter of great constitutional moment for the republic. former president trump has given this court no legal reason to cast aside president biden s assessment of the executive branch interest at stake or to create a separation of powers conflict that the political branches have avoided. the judgment of the district court denying a preliminary injunction is affirmed. so, there it is, harry litman. there it is. the whole issues of law that were weighed, the extraordinary moment, the failure of donald trump to prove that a standard had been met to keep these documents secret. yeah. and it encapsulates everything, and one more thing. it leads off. this is a little subtle, but her previous colleague, brett
about before, nicolle, is that it may ultimately be some mundane documents, lists of who was making calls into the white house, who was the president talking to in who was the vice president talking to? some of these everyday matters may ultimately help as the committee tries to put together a road map to the insurrection. today we learned that one of the documents that mark meadows turned over was a multipage a 30-plus page power point that is essentially a road map to a seditious conspiracy. it is hard to view it as anything else. it is literally a step-by-step how we are going to take the election away from joe biden. there is no telling what s in that treasure trove of documents that trump has tried so strenuously to avoid turning over that could provide additional evidence. and increaingly it looks like the problem that the january 6th committee is going to face is not going to be getting to the
explanation for why he waved executive privilege and decided it was not in the interest of the united states. the court says, congress has a uniquely vital interest in studying the attack, to formulate remedial legislation, and to safeguard its own operations. it says there is a demonstrated relevance of the documents at issue to the congressional inquiry. it says there is no other place to get this information. and it says mr. trump has failed to allege, let alone demonstrate any harm to him that would arise from the disclosure. so, for all those reasons and this is a long opinion. let s see. we are talking a 68-point opinion here. and i haven t read the whole thing, but that s the summary of it. what the court has done is put a hold on its own ruling here for 14 days to give the president time to take an appeal to the supreme court. now, as you know, the president the former