who s the most stupid? most stupid of them? well, definitely these guys have real training it make sense to try to prank stupid guys and and maybe this nonmilitary guy. when you were a kid, did you have any awareness? did your family talk about politics? yes. my family talks about politics all the time and it was very they start to talk much more after chernobyl disaster be because, actually, my father and his family, they are from chernobyl from the small village two kilometers away, 10 kilometers away from the nuclear station.
so this is not going to save putin in ukraine. i think putin s going to either he s going to have to withdraw from ukraine or he ll be defeated there, and there will be new leadership in moscow. all right. we ll leave it there. ambassador herbst, thank you. here to discuss california state guard colonel john spencer. he is the director of urban warfare training for the 40th infantry division. we re so glad to have you on colonel, appreciate it. ukrainian cities are a battlefield right now. you saw that shocking video from kharkiv earlier today. new video shows a military strike on apartment blocks in the city just outside of kyiv. how does ukraine fight back against that? so i think this is i ve been studying urban warfare for a decade. i ve been training it, teaching it from the tactical level up to the theater level like we re talking about here. in ukraine, like the president
level? how do you try to make the biggest amount of noise you can possibly make? that might involve a couple, some i don t know, some number of hearings with key witnesses who have been kept in the dark what you can really then make a point with. but it s going to also involve a much more complicated media strategy because honestly no diplomat to some of these impeachment hearings, the country is not watching cable all day long at 2:00 in the afternoon, and 3:00 in the afternoon. they are not? at 4:00 they are all watching you. which is why i would suggest primetime starts at 4:00. but i think there has got to be a very thoughtful effort to tell this story in multiple forums with sophisticated strategies to try to elevate it in a way that accords with its importance. this is, we said on the show many times, it is the ball game. the whole thing. whole thing. that means you have to be very
democracy, for every democracy. with it, anything is possible. without it, virtually nothing is possible. we have to come together and get it done. and we will. we are back with melissa murray, dan hilemon, dan goldman. melissa, that was i think the second speech the president has given about voting rights and democracy. does it, in your view, signal a turn of his folk to us think? what did you hear today? that address may have been given on an international stage but i think it was likely directed to his colleagues across the street in the capitol where we have major voting rights legislation pending, legislation that would seek to protect the right to vote, that has basically just been lying there, and languishing in congress. and it could not be more brave i know we talked about abortion and we normally don t think about reproductive lights linked to voting rights, but you
but they didn t. right. so, what and what would have happened if they had gone along with it? what would have happened if the department of justice had been mobilized? what would have happened if mike pence said, yes, sir, i m not going to count those electoral votes. we ve seen what the attempt looks like. we haven t seen what happens if there s no one to say no to the trumpists. you know, a.b., we spend a lot of time talking about liz cheney in the last hour and her seek and destroy mission to if not eradicate trumpism and the anti-democratic impulses from the republican party, at least name and shame them. it s amazing that as the committee gets their hands on more evidence of the egregious nature of the coup plot, that no more republicans come to the cause that liz cheney and adam kinzinger are fighting. what s your sense on why that is?