so poland, romania, these countries on ukraine s border are actual nato members. ukrainear is not a nato member. they are nato partner., and it s getting confusing because when you hear y a generl speak, they talk about nato allies but they don t differr between a member and a partner and ukraine is nota a natona member. hence nato has not stood up the force yet. g so right now america is getting spun up and i m quite honestly don t understand the logic or t the endgame, which is why i have to come and talk to your audience. towell, it s so interesting hear from you specifically because you had to leave a job you loved after 17 years i think as a marinenk corps officer becausema you asked the question was anybody learning anything from the disaster of afghanistan withdrawal a country that you served in extensively and i m wondering shouldn t we pause, learn maybe some lessons fromr that sad chapter before wee progress onto the next conflict> ? 100%nt the same people