think it was that phrase the cart before the horse like maybe we should have talked about these hostages before we had the nuke deals. how do you feel? first of all, i believe that they have been working on this at the state department at the white house from the very beginning. and it s a real heartbreak because i followed this story levinson about seven or eight years. i ve been to their home, met their family. i know his brother. and of course the pastor i know his wife and seen pictures of his children. so i know how this is a very important issue. but i also believe as tough as it has been for these four is that the white house has been trying to get them home. but you re not dealing with someone who is very helpful. iran is horrible. they kept all our hostages from the take over november 1979 until the day that jimmy carter left office. in fact president reagan was delivering inaugural address and they were putting the hostages on the plane out of tehran for the united states