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order, then you have to quit. and that s what they did. i d like to know more about it, but it seems right to me. i d like to know more as well. w thank you both for being with me. i want to bring in now a pair of reporters from the daily beast and politics reporter betsey woodruff swan.ti a bunch of things happening right now in terms of a few developments. i want to talk about the times story first, betsy. there has always been the assumption that when gordon sondland calls trump just a day or two before the aid is on released and trump is, quote, in a bad mood and barks, i want nothing, i want nothing, i want no quid pro quo, he was saying that because he knew he was being accused of precisely that because he knew about the whistle-blower complaint. tonight the new york times establishes that in reporting he did in fact know when that call happened and when the aid was released. how significant do you think this is? it s significant because it firms up somewhere where people
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did not believe that the case was just simply be dropped. i spoke to one chicago police official who tells me that cook county prosecutors indicated to them that the community service, as well as the money, would be done in exchange for some sort of admission of guilt. they say, and we know, that did not happen. jussie smollett since he s been truthful throughout all of this and claims history has never change. harris? harris: wow. we talked about this so long there was snow in your video. good to see you. thank you. [laughter] let s talk about that restitution, if we can. you ve got a component you want to say on community service. capri: have to be honest, when the story first came out i was one of those people who were outraged and everything. speed went outraged in his defense? capri: in his defense, and then that he was lying. i ve got a total 180, 360, however you want to go. a full circle here. what really upsets and discussed me is when things like this happen, when you h
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keith, president trump this morning tweeted, jussie smollett, what about maga and the tens of millions of people you insulted with your racist and dangerous comments? what smollett allegedly did and we now have seen these painstaking text evidence laid out, is it stoking hate and racism just like trump? well, i m glad you used the word alleged, erin, because he s now issued a response and said that he s denying the charges against him, he has a right to the presumption of innocence, so i don t want to presume he s guilty, ooreither. and i think donald trump is making the dangerous mistake of presuming that he is guilty. and you know, this is a danger on the part of the president of weighing in on this, one side or the other, when the story first came out, he said it s horrible, now he s saying that smollett is stoking racist fears. maybe he should sit back and say nothing for a change, donald trump, you know. he s responsible for leading racist charges against the central park fi
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