order, then you have to quit. and that's what they did. i'd like to know more about it, but it seems right to me. >> i'd like to know more as well. w thank you both for being with me. i want to bring in now a pair of reporters from the daily beast and politics reporter betsey woodruff swan.ti a bunch of things happening right now in terms of a few developments. i want to talk about "the times" story first, betsy. there has always been the assumption that when gordon sondland calls trump just a day or two before the aid is on released and trump is, quote, in a bad mood and barks, i want nothing, i want nothing, i want no quid pro quo, he was saying that because he knew he was being accused of precisely that because he knew about the whistle-blower complaint. tonight "the new york times" establishes that in reporting he did in fact know when that call happened and when the aid was released. how significant do you think this is? >> it's significant because it firms up somewhere where people had made or people had surmised
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