first place where there could be other ways of dealing with these situation that is allow them to be with their families. robin, you re addressing this on the bail issue. tell me what your group is doing. so we re a national not for profit. what we re attempting to do is stop mass incarceration before it begins. you can t talk about mass incarceration or ending it without stopping the mass bail system. as a result of unaffordable cash bail being set on people s cases that they don t have enough money to pay. we re talking about $100, $500, $1,000. it may as well be $1 million for most people. i read something, and help me out on this, that you were more likely to plead guilty if you re sitting used as leverage, yes. yeah, if you re held in a jail cell where terrible things can happen, it s dehumanizing, it s violent, it s terrifying. and not been convicted? right. and you re held in a jail cell. outside your children might be taken from you, you may lose your home, you