do i have the courage? is it worth the sacrifice? america has been worth it every single time. harris: desantis is likely to be one of the most well-known in the pack outside of donald trump. trump s lead among gop candidates is widening since march. some top republicans including former presidential candidates say the governor has his work cut out for him. what s happening to desantis, he is beginning to shrink from being 1 of 2 and 1 of many. is there an opportunity to grow in the polls? absolutely. at this point president trump is way ahead so it is a daunting task for any of these other candidates. i think desantis has to run his own race. he has a crowded field. he has to show he is the alternative to donald trump. but he has an uphill climb. harris: jason chaffetz, former utah congressman in focus now. jason, now there are seven by tonight with desantis. yeah, look. donald trump is clearly out in front. it feels like he is lapping people at this point bu
trump light or completely different than trump and much more woke? what sticks of ron desantis in your mind? i actually look at it differently. i see the stickiness of donald trump. donald trump has so many people, millions of people that want donald trump and nobody else. they probably like ron desantis. they probably like tim scott and like vivek ramaswamy and what he is saying but they are so loyal to donald trump they feel like he got screwed over by the department of justice, the woke media and everybody else and they feel like he needs to finish what he was doing for four years. on the other hand, ron desantis, his case is going to be i don t bring the drama. i get the results, you get the same quality. i m 32 years younger than donald trump. i am the future. if i run and win i can go for two terms or eight years as opposed to just four more years of donald trump. harris: you know, it got nasty pretty quickly with the