old-fashioned stick and rudder flying. and they were cleared for a visual approach 17 miles from the end of the runway. so they had 17 miles to set this up and fly it the old-fashioned way. i think the ntsb will say with all this wonderful life-saving technology, and indeed autopilot probably would have saved this flight, but it wasn t available because of the instrument landing system was out, that we don t do stick and rudder flying. explain so i understand. 17 miles out, they are clear for visual landing. what a visual landing means is i m going to take myself off the auto pilot, the computer-activated guidance that has been operating the flight until now, and i m going to fly the plane like i drive my car. i m going to manually say how fast it goes and how low it s goes at israel ate proaches. precisely. at that point, you lose other data that comes automatically. there s an automatic glide slope that tells you what altitude and how you re supposed to be descending. and your pr