mood. but whether or not they can make government work. and i think it is an open question whether or not it can. let s take it to the getter minds. former republican ohio governor john kasich, and stewart te stevens. thank you for being on the program. do both of you believe that in this system, with our two parties, toxic as it is, that government can work? governor kasich? absolutely it can work. but government really usually needs to be a last resort, not a first resort because of the bureaucracy connected to it. i agree with much of what you said, and i ve been saying for months now they need to pass the infrastructure bill. i mean, forget this build back better whatever it is. pass the infrastructure bill. take it to the house. if the progressiving es won t v for it, then bitden goes to the
well, look, on the last point, stewart, to bounce it over to you, it s way past time. every family we know, kasich s family, stevens family, cuomo s family. if we don t believe we are directly connected to or care deeply about someone who struggles with mental health the same way we see with physical health, it s all the same but we just cam it something different, we re lying. but the governor s quick rush to say yes, government can work, where is the confidence in that position come from when your party is resolutely against doing anything with the democrats? so how can government work and are the democrats maybe fighting the good fight but to no effect? they can t each get it to their own side. with my former party, chris, with all the reasons we talked about, it s important that the