the american people that the results were not trustworthy. he went on to other theories as well. the bulk of the conversation focused on michigan and the asog report. thank you. mr. engle, we know that attorney general barr announced on december 1, 2020, that the department of justice had found no evidence of widespread fraud that could have changed the outcome of the election. so from december 1, 2020, until today, as you sit here, have you ever doubted that top line conclusion? no, i ve never had any reason to doubt attorney general barr s conclusion. thank you. pursuant to section 5 c 8 of house resolution 503, the chair now recognizes the gentleman from illinois, mr. kinzinger for questions. thank you, mr. chairman.
advocates general corps. we are also joined by mr. steven engle, the former assistant attorney general for the office of legal counsel. he was nominated by the former president and confirmed by the senate during the trump administration. he served from november 2017 to january 2021 and has now returned to private practice. i will now swear in our witnesses. the witnesses will please stamped and raise their right hand. do you swear under penalty of perjury that the testimony your about to give is the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth so help you god? thank you. you may be seated. let the record reflect the witnesses all answered in the affirmative. i now recognize myself for
restricts that both white house and the justice department end, those more sensitive issues to the highest ranks. so for criminal matters, the policy for a long time has been that only the attorney general and the deputy attorney general from the doj side can have conversations about criminal matters with the white house or the attorney general and the deputy attorney general can authorize something with their permission but the idea is to make sure that the top rung of the justice department knows about it and is in the thing to control it, make sure only appropriate things are done. mr. engle, from your perspective, why is it important to have a policy like mr. rosen just discussed? it s critical that the department of justice conducts their investigations free from reality or free from political interference. people can get in trouble if
meeting, steven engle and richard donoghue helped knock down claims of voter fraud and told the former president they had hundreds of attorneys at d.o.j. who would resign immediately if he went through with his plan. only then, donoghue said, trump backed off. i began to explain to him what he had to lose and what the country and the department had to lose, and this was not in anyone s best interest. reporter: jeffery clark did not testify today but invoked the fth amendment at a previous deposition and, yesterday, federal investigators raided his northern virginia home. meantime, the committee named more republican lawmakers who sought pardons after a meeting with the former president to are elat day.ys to block theatie nikole killion, thank you. let s turn to our cbs news exclusive and a new twist in the committee s investigation in the form of 120 hours of never
0 and don t forget, tomorrow more opinions coming from the supreme court. will dobbs be among them, will it be held until next week and what will the fallout be when we learn what the supreme court will do. sandra: and we ll be watching all of it. thank you for joining us here. i m sandra smith. john: i m john roberts. martha maccallum is up next with special coverage martha: that is correct. good afternoon, everybody. i m martha maccallum at fox news head quarters in new york. welcome to special coverage where moments away from the start of the fifth public hearing in the past two weeks. today s testimony is expected to focus on the former president s alleged pressure campaign on the justice department. that s what they re going to be testifying too during the 2020 election. testifying today, you see them sitting down at a table right now, getting ready. lots of cameras. you have jeffery rosen, the former attorney general that left the justice department after bill barr resigned