all the way through. so how did you come to the conclusion that he was an honest come to the conclusion that he was an honest individual? asl come to the conclusion that he was an honest individual? an honest individual? as i said earlier, an honest individual? as i said earlier. i an honest individual? as i said earlier, i think, an honest individual? as i said earlier, i think, to an honest individual? as i said earlier, i think, to the - an honest individual? as i said earlier, i think, to the chair, i| earlier, i think, to the chair, i regret the use of those words now. but i go back to the interview that ann and i conducted with him 25 years ago for over 90 minutes and we pushed him really, really hard on the guidelines and his breach of the guidelines on street dealers and he was contrite, we thought he was out of his depth. and that s why we did two things, one is to ensure that he was properly and carefully and closely managed going forward, by steve hewlett, the editor
second guess directors or people running large departments, you trust them to make all the judgments, running large departments, you trust them to make all thejudgments, i read in the report thatjonathan munro had spoken to steve hewlett, the former editor of panorama, someone whosejudgment the former editor of panorama, someone whose judgment you would trust, but they came to their own decision about the rehiring of martin bashir, and as i say, it is also clear that if we knew then what we know now then, of course, he would not have been rehired. taste we know now then, of course, he would not have been rehired. we will take our would not have been rehired. we will take your word would not have been rehired. we will take your word for would not have been rehired. we will take your word for that. would not have been rehired. we will take your word for that. 18 would not have been rehired. we will take your word for that. 18 cvs - take your word for that. 18 cvs received, that a
repeating yourself, can t i get back to, in that room, you could put him under to, in that room, you could put him under a to, in that room, you could put him under a spotlight, stabbed to, in that room, you could put him undera spotlight, stabbed him to, in that room, you could put him under a spotlight, stabbed him with a cattle under a spotlight, stabbed him with a cattle prod but the fact is, that there a cattle prod but the fact is, that there were a cattle prod but the fact is, that there were all of these breaches of there were all of these breaches of the guidelines. there was, the way he formulated and got those documents made. there was the lies that he documents made. there was the lies that he repeated when he was questioned about it, the fact he used questioned about it, the fact he used this questioned about it, the fact he used this fake documents in order to -ain used this fake documents in order to gain access used this fake documents in order to gain a
martin bashir was being managed by steve hewlett, the programme editor, who i trusted enormously and it was also being looked after by the controller of editorial and the head of current affairs. by its very nature news is devolved, we have hours and hours of coverage each day and you trust the teams that are putting together programmes or in this case this interview, that trust must be very strong. i trusted steve hewlett, the editor of the programme, to manage martin bashir at the interview properly, as i did the controller of editorial policy. it is based on trust. i went through the questions not with martin but with the team and i briefed the director general about this because there was an issue around whether or
someone because my career on ice for doing the right thing. i - doing the right thing. stephen? i was once a doing the right thing. stephen? i was once a very doing the right thing. stephen? i was once a veryjunior doing the right thing. stephen? i was once a veryjunior reporter. doing the right thing. stephen? i| was once a veryjunior reporter at the bbc, was once a veryjunior reporter at the bbc, i was once a veryjunior reporter at the bbc, i left before i became anything the bbc, i left before i became anything more, but immediately after this interview questions were raised about this interview questions were raised about the this interview questions were raised about the way in which martin bashir had secured the interview, did it not raise had secured the interview, did it not raise any alarm bells when the scope not raise any alarm bells when the scope of not raise any alarm bells when the scope of the century, which this undoubtedly was, was granted to a very