relation may be less important than the words more common. it s not inconsistent with suicide. and what i hate about these leaks is. steve: autopsy leaks. any kind of leaks about investigations where people cherry pick where they want to put out under circumstances we know in most investigations we need to have a expensive understanding of everything and you can put too much or too little emphasis on individual facts. to me i would want to know if they they actually had video of the common areas of the jail and they could tell whether someone else was able to get in and out of cell. that to me would be at least as important a piece of evidence as what ainsley: what do you think happened. i m going to assume it was a suicide until there is powerful evidence that there is not. that s what it looks like to me. gross incompetence here. not surprising incompetence that particular institution
deal with. was that last officer released from the hospital? steve: we have been listening to richard ross jr. the police commissioner of philadelphia briefing the press as to what went down. the suspect has been arrested, taken into custody. joining us right now is chief rich busby from the new jersey sheriff s association. chief, six cops shot, only by the grace of god are they alive right now. we are incredibly grateful. i think police around the nation and frankly the citizens of all communities are incredibly grateful. at the same time we are incredibly proud of the job that the officers in philadelphia did. they exercised amazing professionalism and strength. and ultimately we were able to get this thing resolved without anyone being hurt. i went to law school in that neighborhood. it s been a challenging area for decades usmght and without the presence and continued vigilance of the philadelphia police department, i don t know if folks could actually live
ainsley: really? so what s the main take away here. it s blind-blowing. the main take away i think well, we have a polarization issue in this country. half the country is on the left. half is on the right. and that leaves a gapping wound in the middle, which we need to stitch up before it gets infected. and i think what my book is trying to achieve is that we have biological bases for all of our behaviors, including our political leanings. and if we understand the forces that govern those behaviors, we are in a better position to deal with them and we are in a better position to deal with people who don t agree with us. steve: really fascinating stuff. read all about it in his book. it s called pleased to meet me. bill sullivan from indiana university. bill, thank you very much. ainsley: thanks, bill. it s a pleasure to be here. thank you. steve: that s really something. moving on, exclusive and shocking video showing an explosion during an attack on an ice facility in washingt