you tell me whether this will have an impact on the justice department looking into it. this is the mother of the 13-year-old witness on this show. now as the investigators communicated with you arranging and talking to you around the interview of your son, did they tell you whether they felt this was self-defense or not? the lead investigator from the sanford police department stood in my family room and told me this was absolutely not self-defense and they needed to prove it. he told me, and i m paraphrasing the quote, but read between the lines. there are some stereo typing going on here. now this lady sat on the show and said that. wouldn t that have some bearing on the justice department if they were to investigate what happened that night that the lead investigator told this person who seems to have no ax
to grind with anybody that he did not believe it was self-defense and in fact raised the point of stereo typing which i said to her i would say is profiling. absolutely. that is a damning piece of testimonial evidence for a witness to come forward and say the homicide detective at the scene made those comments to her about the fact that self-defense was not an issue in his mind and clearly indicating that he had probable cause to make an arrest. that s what s so frustrating. only people want in this instance is for justice to be done. no one is talking about convictions. we are talking about an arrest and probable cause for arrest. justice is not being done here. that s why people are frustrated. they can see that there is a problem with this situation. i think you said it best. all we have ever said was release the tapes which we finally got, and probable cause for an arrest. no one but the right wing is
they took him into custody based on all the evidence they had at the scene. to have somebody and i m speculating here, but to have a police chief or even the state attorney step in and take away the discretion of the officers at the scene and say, release this man, that is very, very unusual. i m very happy to here the justice department is looking into this to find out what happened because something isn t just. joy, when you hear all of this, the mother of the young 13-year-old witness and i had her on the show. she said the lead investigator said to her that he thought it was not self-defense and thought it was stereo typing. there are a lot of strange things in the case. the witnesses who weren t questioned versus those who were. as you were talking about, this person is brought into the station. they are either in custody or not. police have said he was in detention, right?
john, is this not a horrendous example of why vigilante justice is a bad idea and when coupled with racial profiling, racial stereo typing, it s a horrific mixture. this is a tragedy on so, so many levels. when you listen to the zimmerman 911 call and the officer, you can hear him get out of his truck or his car and the police officer tells him we don t need you to do that and yet he goes forward. not only he chases down trayvon martin, but he s bringing a 9 millimeter handgun to whatever confrontation there is. one chilling thing in the interview that his mother gave to matt this morning on the today show, she said you can hear trayvon screaming for help. that was my baby screaming for help. when you hear that, how can you
race plays a role in politics but so does transcending race and samuel jackson want to revert, clanish, ethnic politics. he uses the n word recklessly, he is basically putting down barack obama historic accomplishment of getting people to rise above race in this country when they voted for him. juan, i m speechless because i agree with what you just said there. look, one of the things he went on to say he hopes the president gets scary in his second term. that is stereo typing. not a race issue but he hopes he becomes more liberal and feeling restricted by an election coming up he ll actually be more radical. is that your sense of things? guest: i don t know what he meant. that is a fear certainly being promoted by the right. what would obama unskriyd,