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talking over me may not have been shouting down because we didn t get into a shouting match back and forth. i had advice to give, i offered it repeatedly and he shot us down. but that s sad. i think i ve been very clear and very public the only way i can to communicate to the president that his conflicts of interest are a problem and that you want to avoid the appearance of profiting from the presidency. but let s go with the white house statement. let s say somehow they didn t know it was bad for him to keep going to his properties. i m telling you right now, stop going to your properties. tell the white house officials not to take that advice since they weren t aware. so not only is schaub challenging his president not to go to his properties in the weeks and months ahead, which probably won t happen, but he also is demanding more transparency from the white house. he said, you know, part of the ethics program is not just understanding a person s financial positions, their assets,