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weeks ago in london, we were having dinner and i said where are you going next? i wanted to invite him to my book party in washington and he said i m going to russia and i will be at your back party. i said you can t be serious, you can t be going to russia. he said, no, i have to go. i m an opposition politician, i m asking the russian people to stand up to vladimir putin. what message would it send if i m too scared to go to my own country? and he went and he got arrested. i should point out that they have tried to kill him twice with poison, he survived two assassination attempts, he is now in the custody of the people who tried to kill him. what does it say about, you know, russian dissidents i mean, i m struck by how brave these people are. i mean, they keep attempted poisoning of navalny, they tried to poison, they tried to poison the president of ukraine when he was a candidate, this was about 10, 15 years ago, they ve tried ssh successfully poisoned many

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dissidents but there still is a vibrant dissident community in russia. will it stay? will it make a difference? well, all it takes is we don t know how this whole thing is going to play itself out, but what alexei navalny who is in jail, their calculation is that at some point putin is going to misstep, the whole country is going to rise up, there s going to be chaos and then there is going to be a need for a new leader. i can imagine if that happens and it s happening in a lot of other countries, navalny will be the president and caramurza will be the prime minister. bill browder, always a pleasure, the book is freezing order the last one was new york times best seller. best of luck on this one. next, 25 million people are in covid lockdown in shanghai alone, perhaps hundreds of millions of people across china. i will talk to cnn s david culver who is locked down in shanghai himself when we come back.

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working for closely together. i think we will see a more balanced relationship across the atlantic. so with all of the tragedy and all of the challenges that we face, with a more dangerous russia in the years ahead, i think we might see a strengthening of our west in europe as a result of this, apart from the fact that i think it s necessary. before i let you go i have to ask you one question which is the one place where there does seem to be i don t know if a weak link is the right way to describe t but there seems to be some problem is germany. the germans tried to send their president stein meyer to ukraine, the ukrainians i think somewhat foolishly rejected that offer, now the germans seem to be upset, trchancellor sholds h publicly criticized the ukrainians. is there a danger that the germans will not follow through on what seemed like a very

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