it s absolutely reckless to run him in 2024. clay the argument the strategists make is, he s better than the other guy. i think they re pointing to trump. yes. that s the argument they re trying to make to their voters and i think it s an emotional response. yes. it s not better policies. it s i don t want to see tweets. yes. donald trump is if you want to use a basketball analogy would rise up and dunk on joe biden time after time after time. right? it s not remotely similar their level of cognition. that s a challenge because you got to persuade people to potentially change their mind, as you will well know getting people to change their mind is difficult but i do think a lot of bind voters who thought he s going to return normalcy. he s going to bring steadiness back to the country. what i think lawrence a lot of those people won t show up in 2024 because i think what he sold normalcy and a return to
my opinion, for him to be president now. it s absolutel it sy reckless to run him in 2024. clay, the argument that the strategisty thargument make better than the other guy. and i think they re pointingbet. to trump. y that s the argument that they re trying to make to their t. es. and i think it s an emotional s response. it s not a a better policy. it s that i don t want to see tweets. yeah, donald trump is i mean, if you want to use a basketball analogy, would rise up and dunk on joe biden s not time after time after time. right. it s not remotely similar, their level of cognition. that s a challengenition. becaua you ve got to persuade people to potentially change their mindll. as you well know, getting people to change their mind is different. buo ch theirt i do think that at biden voters who thought he s going to returnho normalcy he s going to bring steadiness back to the country. here s what steadine i think, le i think a lot of those people won t show s up in 2024 because
are going to speak to lauren right. lauren wright is a lecturer in politics at princeton university and former white house ethics lawyer richard painter. thank you both are coming on the programme. so, just so you guys know, we are going to keep the live pictures rolling beside you, because this is an extraordinary moment, whatever way you look at it. more and this is a moment of us history. absolutely. it s the first time we ve ever seen anything like this. and that s the case with many things trump does. it s not even his first indictment. and so, you know, i study the politics of this of presidential history, and one thing that continues to fascinate me about trump is the steadiness of the base and their support for him. however, i don t think it s responsible to say this will somehow help him. i don t think we have any evidence of
it will be quite worth while listening to. just to build on charlie s point, i think chris christie is saying things that a lot of people have known and said privately and i think it will force them out of the shadows. and some of them are very comfortable in the shadows. this $2 billion that jared kushner got from the saudis when steve mnuchin who did a lot better was talked about at a much higher volume privately than was ever really noted or reported. it may force democrats, even, to open an investigation into kushner. i don t think christie will be our hero but he can break the seal and open up the conversation. especially in republican circles, moderate circles. and he s a jersey guy. a jersey guy getting down with trump, fighting on his kind of turf in his way. scrapping it up. and i think that will score points and do some damage on trump. to your larger point, people are looking for steadiness, for integrity at a time when it feels like everything is under
way to hurt the movement of government to put some sand in the gears and so they decided to do it. it s very much part of this tea party movement idea that we have to destroy the government. so republicans want to destroy the government. so i do think that this would be a huge coup for the biden administration and what i ve seen with biden as he is been steady and quiet and negotiating, and positive. and you know it s such a sharp difference when someone like donald trump who has been whenever there was a negotiation, he was bombastic and scary, and seemed very unreliable. and there s a steadiness coming out of this white house which i think is really positive. house which th dave it, contrast that for me with what we re seeing with the unfolding gop primary, governor ron desantis having three early primary states next week. what are you watching as he makes his case to primary voters? molly s point is a great