wow. susan, let me actually go back to you for a second in terms of trying to understand the national significance of the kalamazoo river spill is both that you guys are americans and as americans your problems ought to get national attentions when they are big enough problems, but also there s a big debate going on about tar sands oil versus other kinds of oil. do either of you have any sense how it is to deal with a tar sands spill than a regular oil spill? well, this is the largest spill that no one knows about, which is quite concerning. as epa said, they are writing the book as they go along. within days of the spill, the first thing the unified command did was put boom. as we re learning about tar sand, and i know i m not expert, i m just a mom that s been impacted, the tar sand either evaporated, which we all breathed the chemicals in the air, became sick, the remainder
but also there s a big debate going on about tar sands oil versus other kinds of oil. do either of you have any sense how it is to deal with a tar sands spill than a regular oil spill? well, this is the largest spill that no one knows about, which is quite concerning. as epa said, they are writing the book as they go along. within days of the spill, the first thing the unified command did was put boom. as we re learning about tar sand, and i know i m not expert, i m just a mom that s been impacted, the tar sand either evaporated, which we all breathed the chemicals in the air, became sick, the remainder of that oil, which is so heavy, it sank. it went right underneath the boom, it went underneath and continued to flow downstream, so, that is a severe difference from your conventional or mom s good-old type of crude. mom s kind of oil spill. this is not your father s oil
influence on policy for years. i don t know if we re igt quite there yet but we may be there. would you be open to that call? i don t know if i would be but i d certainly be hopeful trying to find somebody like that. interesting discussion with rudy giuliani. coming up, i m going to take you to my home country of canada and show you what the real fight over the keystone pipeline is all about. this is it. we are literally walking on black gold. this is what we came here to say. this is oil sand, sand that s encased in water and oil. in fact, this is about 10% crude oil. daryl hannah will join me next to explain why environmentalists are drawing a line in the tar sand when it comes to building the keystone pipeline. featuring the exhilarating is. engineered to take on the most thrilling curves no matter where they are. the lexus is performance line. real performance demands real precision.
privatizing those important programs. i don t agree with that. my opponent voted to privatize both of those programs. what we hear over and over again is the economic problems will go away if we just give another billionaire a tax break. we know that s not true. there s no proof that that s ever been true and so we continue to push back against those ideas. let me ask you about the keystone pipeline, because i ve always wondered why the president opposed it because it looked like a job creator in your part of the country. you re for it. tell me about the president on that one. it s obviously a jobs issue. well, the keystone pipeline is about transporting tar sand oil out of canada down into louisiana. the environmentalists will tell you it s never been about the pipeline. it s about the tar sand. we absolutely need to move energy in this country.
louisiana. the environmentalists will tell you it s never been about the pipeline. it s about the tar sand. we absolutely need to move energy in this country. we need to move it in pipes and we need to move it in transmission lines and, unfortunately, we don t have an energy policy that move our energy where it needs to go and that needs to be fixed. and the other piece of this, in the middle of a recession we would put thousands of people back to work and it was just wrong-headed, in my opinion. is there such a thing as clean coal? you bet ya. i m on the board of directors called dakota gas. we take goal and pulverize it and make natural coal. we compress it, make the co2 and send it to canada for enhanced