world. deterence in the world depends on a potential adversaries assessment of the willingness to employ them on the other. frankly, in the wake of the decision to withdraw from afghanistan, as you know, i agreed with that and then the conduct of that withdrawal, that did not help deter it. this does. this shows you the united states once again leading the world, doing more than all the others put together. we can be frustrated about that. but that say reality that we dealt with throughout our time as the superpower of the west. and ib ndeed, this is very muchn investment in our security and the security of like minded nations around the world. but especially obviously in nato europe. and perhaps message to china regarding taiwan as well. general david petraeus, thank you very much. happy holidays to you and your family. thank you. and best to you and yours, jim. still to come this hour, senators still hashing out the details over the $1.7 trillion
it does not mean that all of the people coming in are staying. in fact, we know that thousands of migrants have been moved to other parts of the border to be processed. last week from el paso aloerne, 4500 mu g 4500 migrants have been expelled. so all that processing continues in anticipation of title 42 ending. thank you very much. we re joined now by an immigration law expert as well as an advocate for reform. david, good to have you on. good morning, jim. how are you? good. so first of all, very basic question. we see the numbers. this has been going on for years now. what happens to these folks when they apply for asylum? how many come into the country? how long do they typically have to wait? look, we have a process. certainly, jim, 20,000 people plus at the border waiting to come in and coming in is a
we should always note the russian strikes are deliberate. they want to take the power and heat away from ukrainian people to spread the pain in effect. will rippley, thank you so much. joining me now is retired four star army general david petraeus, former commander of u.s. central command. general, always good to have you on. thank you, jim. as i was watching the speech yesterday, as well as the visit in general, it struck me that the u.s. and ukraine are even more so than they already were joined at the hip in this war as allies. is the ukraine war more obviously and more openly a proxy war in infect between the u.s. and russia and should americans then be concerned that the chances for escalation beyond ukraine have now increased? well, i think that s correct in large measure. but it s not just the u.s. and ukraine. it s the nato countries and the
the 21st century. well, we ll see if there is political will. thank you so much for coming on, david. thank you, jim. thanks for having me. will. still ahead, a normal day at the office looks a little different for these two nasa astronauts. they re on a space walk right now. the danger though that caused delay and the job they have to do out there. man that, is the earth floating beneath them. the job they have to do out there next.