seven years. there would be times where members would vote for something knowing that they had cover, whether they would send it back to committee or vote against an amendment, but then vote for final passage so they could go on record saying they were against certain things, but they end up voting for the whole thing. this is some of that political brinksmanship. what you re seeing with the senators talking to each other in little pockets on the floor. look, no one actually wants a shutdown. this is something that has become the weaponization of the budgeting process and part of the dysfunction in washington that has plagued both democrats and republicans who have been in charge for the last several years now. we haven t had a budget passed in regular order in years, and this is part of why people were upset and voted for donald trump to drain the swamp, to change things like this. but unfortunately trump he got he derailed what would have been bipartisan efforts, probably would h
will be going on as they get through this this weekend, but as far as the feeling and the tone i m getting from many senators going out to cast their vote, a little defeatism, the question is, where does this all go next. where does it go? it s anybody s guess. so thank you, we ll get back to you. she s standing by in washington. also phil mattingly standing by as well. on capitol hill. the voting is pretty much over, they have not announced the final vote count yet, so we can still say it s ongoing, they re not done yet, they have not pounded the gavel, we don t know what the exact vote is, we do know there are enough votes to defeat this, and the government is expected to shut down to defeat this cr to keep the government open. unless there is a hail mary, unless they come up with some sort of a negotiation, some sort of fix between now and midnight eastern time. chuck schumer, mitch mcconnell
we appreciate that. if you get something, let us know. we ll put you right back on the air. i want to get back to rebecca berg, david rohde and brian fallon. my question, david is honestly, i get it. this is politics. this is washington. it s fine. play the blame game. but at this moment when americans are like, what is going to happen? this government is going to shut down. most people are like they don t really know it s the weekend and what effect it s going to have. so they re concerned. don t they want to hear from the president, and don t they want some re-insuranassurance that eg is going to be okay instead of the blame game? why? i think the messaging will grate on people. is it going to be the trump shutdown, that hashtag, or the schumer shutdown. this is an opportunity for the president to show some leadership, but this is no surprise that he s not getting into the nitty-gritty of a deal. he s never done that. the tax cut, the repeal of obamacare, the white house was
of governing by base. the democratic party, they don t want to seem like they re rolling again. they want to keep their base energized that worked so well in virginia and alabama. this is our politics today. donald trump is governing by base. it s how do you get your supporters as riled up as possible. rebecca, i want to bring you in now. you have lots of sources in washington. are you hearing anything from them? absolutely, don. already we re seeing unfolding the beginnings of the political blame game with this potential shutdown, and it s been really interesting to see the democrats, who of course a few years ago in 2013 were saying that a shutdown would bring chaos, now saying that it s necessary to be able to push through an immigration deal. some saying that they don t want the short-term spending solution. they want something longer term. really it s a role reversal from what we saw in 2013. i want to bring up some interesting polling that i was looking at earlier from 2013.
both, and yet washington continues to play games here. that goes back to the point molly made a few minutes ago, about the idea it s backward and confounding to americans when congress is on the brink of shutdown over issues that they more or less agree on, and where the public is going in one clear direction. i think that the point david made a second ago is key. president trump wants to david was right, that republicans need the president to go first, they re unlikely to get that in any definitive way, what president trump wants mostly out of this is to look good. but because he doesn t operate from a set of core beliefs, he s not sure what looking good means in this situation. is it being tough and strong and the guy who sold the border wall and saying, i m a hawk on immigration. or is it the who s your daddy, benevolent strong man that the protect these wide eyed dreamers from being sent back to their home countries. he wants to be able to claim a