war where we made clear we stood for freedom and democracy and so did our partners, and explaining that putin stands for misery and oppression, and not just for people outside of ukraine. actually, within his own country, explaining that to russians again as we did during the cold war. things we haven t done. it seems like that would be a simple narrative. i wondered why that hasn t happened. part of it is this obama administration s unwillingness to say that we are not morally equivalent to countries like russia. to say that, for example, even russian speakers outside of russia, russian outside of russian, have it better under ukraine s government, more rights than under putin. but we approach the world as if we re on a moral equivalent with the bad guys. that s been reinforced unfortunately snowden. we need president or presidential candidate to come and say, we re not perfect but we do stand for freedom and democracy and we re better than people like putin.
go so far as to categorize his position on same-sex marriage as one that was in the process of evolving. whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i ve spoken about this recently, as i ve said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. you ve said your position is evolving. you said you re struggling with it. what more do you need to know? well, you know, i probably won t make news right now, george, but i think there s no doubt that as i see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he s been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he s very clear about the fact that his position that it s evolving. the president said that he was evolving. in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant t
well, you know, i probably won t make news right now, george, but i think there s no doubt that as i see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he s been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he s very clear about the fact that his position that it s evolving. the president said that he was evolving. in explaining that process of evolving today, the president said he has always been adamant that gays and lesbians should be treated fairly and equally, but he hesitated on gay marriage partly he said because he thought civil unions would be enough. they would let people visit their partners in the hospital, for instance. in the abc interview, he acknowledged that same-sex marriage is an issue that elifts strong feelings both for and against. i was sensitive to the fact that
marriage have long pressed for the president to say just those words. but for the past two years, he and the white house would only go so far as to categorize his position on same-sex marriage as one that was in the process of evolving. whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i ve spoken about this recently, as i ve said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. you ve said your position is evolving. you said you re struggling with it. what more do you need to know? well, you know, i probably won t make news right now, george, but i think there s no doubt that as i see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he s been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he s very clear about the fact that his position that it s evolving. the
marriage have long pressed for the president to say just those words. but for the past two years, he and the white house would only go so far as to categorize his position on same-sex marriage as one that was in the process of evolving. whether gays and lesbians should be able to get married, i ve spoken about this recently, as i ve said. my feelings about this are constantly evolving. i struggle with this. you ve said your position is evolving. you said you re struggling with it. what more do you need to know? well, you know, i probably won t make news right now, george, but i think there s no doubt that as i see friends, families, children of gay couples who are thriving, you know, that has an impact on how i think about these issues. again, what i know is what his position was during the campaign and what it is now. you know, he s been very clear about it, he was very clear in the campaign, he s very clear about the fact that his position that it s evolving. the