to nourishing 3 minute miracle, to the moisture-infusing gold series. we give more women great hair days - every day. pantene. i m discovering a russian spy. ambassador mcfaul s revelations about spy novels. we ve had quite a show tonight. that does it for us. we ll see you again tomorrow. you can tune into the beat at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. i will be joined by john podesta and eddy griffin. something else we re looking forward to, it is time for the last word with lawrence o donnell. good evening, lawrence. i m glad you covered the jim jordan case. we haven t had a spot to squeeze it into in the show, but i certainly have been tweeting about it. the day will come in these civil lawsuits about it where he is going to find himself under oath in a deposition at some point about this. you make that point. and i think the corollary to paterno, which was a cultural
it, talks about how one of the gru officers create a spear phishing e-mail attack. it s clear all the other 11 defendants didn t know or participate in that, yet they were all under the indictment terps conspirators and potentially guilty of the alleged offenses. and so i think you have to understand the way bob mueller and the special counsel s office is approaching the crime of conspiracy in order to analyze whether you think there will be a charge at the end of the day. i love when both of you take me to law school. jeremy, i ll go from law school to spy novels. you heard you say to our friend earlier today preet ba harra, there s a 96% chance the reason donald trump has taken a pro putin position is because of long-standing financial ties between the trump organization and people around the russian government. you talked about one-on-one meetings, about donald trump clearing the room which is what we understand him to have done with putin. we looked up one of the other people and
will restrict their travel. we just never know how complacent that they may become and take a trip or get out in international waters. you know, spy novels in the news are full of stories of a bad guy getting far enough away that he can come within the reach of the united states or one of our allies. also it is worthwhile to indict these guys because then we can trace the money associated with them. follow the money trail and do financial sanctions, just related to these 12 individuals. more often than not, tracing all the way back to the kremlin. mike: since it appears we may be in cold war 2.0, what more can the u.s. government do going forward to counter moscow? one thing that we can do is something that we did aggressively after 9/11, and that was form joint task forces at local, state and national levels. everyone has heard of the counterterrorism task forces, but it is time if we haven t built them already to do the cyber counter task forces with
clear to them that we were telling them this so they could act. this was not a casual heads up. not an fyi. we re giving you this information so that you can act. and then nothing happened. when you say compromised by the russians, i have read enough spy novels and watched enough bad television about these sorts of things, to imagine a real sort of underworld mafia connotation to that. like wove got something on you. we will expose that thing in some way that you re so averse to that we can make do you things you would otherwise never do. is that, that s like the raw movie style version of compromise. how does it work in the real world? what are the potentially practical consequences of the kind of compromise you were worried about with flynn? well, the russians are pretty crafty with this. they can do the overt threats like you just described there but also the more subtle forms.
now, about the urgency with which you warned the white house about him? for me, i m asking because of this persistent mystery about why the white house waited so long, waited 18 days before they took any action in response to your warning. is there anything you can tell us that might shed light on why that happened? no, i certainly can t figure it out myself as to why they took all of that time. i came knocking on the door telling them they had a serious problem with their national security adviser. that their national security adviser could be compromised with the russians. and i came back the next day to give them even more information about that and made it really clear to them that we were telling them this so they could act. this was not a casual heads up. not an fyi. we re giving you this information so that you can act. and then nothing happened. when you say compromised by the russians, i have read enough spy novels and watched enough bad television about these sorts