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Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 08:03:00

him. it is tearingde a hole in his wallet. the new york times reports in the first six months of this year trump and his various pacs raised about $67 million, which, yes, is an eye popping sum. but in that same period of time trump ander his pacs spent $90 million, and 30 cents of every dollar they spent was on legal feest and other investigation related bills. $27 million to fight his legal troubles in just the first six months of the year, a period of by the way, when he was only facing two criminal indictments instead of the current four.rr those are big expenses. seemingly unsustainable expenses. in a hearing last friday one of trump s lawyers mentioned they plan to use volunteer lawyers to help handle the case. volunteer lawyers, presumably not the kind of lawyers who are

Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 08:09:00

investigation the spigot was turned off andn he felt abandoned, and so that s the downdo side. yeah, paying for lawyers is one of the main ways it seems that trump exerts influence in terms of loyalty when it comes to potential codefendants singing to the feds or not. and saying i have your back. and also it can be a real issue. and some of these people this is having opretained counsel as opposed to appointed counsel it s really expensive. to wake up and say it s a great day i was indicted, but then you have to spend hundreds of thousands if not more for counsel in and case like this, which is a big, sprawling case. so having somebody who s going to bewl a benefactor is importai and one would hope that benefactorth actually has the ch in his pockets to do the thing you re hoping. let s remember donald trump does have a way of raising money.

Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 08:14:00

of evidence that the feds have, that the d.a. has and how they re going to plow through that tow assemble a defense. it s interesting because it s a 2-inch sword in the d.c. case because you have jack smith who s saying i want a really fast trial.anly we re going to see the same thing playing out in the georgia case where fani willis is now saying i want a march trial. and at the same time the defense gets toti say, you know, it s a huge amount of resources needed to r get through this. so one of the things that was argued before judge chutkan in the d.c. case was could you give sensitive material to volunteer lawyers as mary talked about, and the judge basically was like isi really don t want volunteer lawyers because that opens a real pandoras box of exactly who s getting ofthis, but if they re employed lawyers, and that could be their discovery lawyers, their people you can

Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 08:05:00

codefendants, people like trump s valet, walt nauta and the property manager carlos de oliveira. thank tuesday fani willis georgia indictment trump now has 18 more codefendants, and that means, 18 more people facing serious jail time and needing to figure outne how to pay their legal bill. and that might be problematic for more than just trump s wallet. today trump attorney and codefendant jenna ellis turned toel a crowd funding christian website to raisedi cash for her legal defense. you canga send jenna ellis mone or you can send jenna ellis digital prayers to help her defend herself in this case in georgia. and there are ais lot of potent tea leaves we could read there. does that mean that trump is not footing jenna ellis legal bills? what does it mean for the rest

Transcripts for MSNBC Alex Wagner Tonight 20240604 08:08:00

counsel, and she actually said she asked who s paying for my counsel. and her counsel if this is true completely and ethically says says don t worry your pretty little head about it. which is unreal. she wash entitled to know abou it. that is a way money keeps everybody in line and inside the tent. the first thing i said when i saw there were 18g codefendant here as we saw there are two in the documents case is how do you keepdo these people in line because in the georgia case those are all potential cooperators because there is no federal pardon with respect to those case. those people are really facing realtime, and the proof on some of them looks really strong. so he needs to be able to sort of figure out how is he going t be able to do that, and money and supporting them in terms of their counsel is one way to do that. he s learned his lesson from michael l cohen where when we we prosecuting him in the mueller

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