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it is not who won the spectator point but would actually impressed with their points, this is what is driving romney. of course we had or will look forward to the foreign policy debate. neil: i look at trends and the averaging and the trend had been favoring mitt romney and the latest track poll, i agree with you, the seven-day outlook track things can lead a lot up to debate but that would be, then, a wider gap from which the president has to, could back or narrow, right? so it would mean if you take it at face value and i share your concern about taking anything at face value that is a higher mountain to climb for the president and even a great debate performance may not be enough. what do you see? guest: well, the debate performance the president needs